moonslav59

Because he's young and cost controlled, he has more value. I'm not handing him away. I'm suggesting we add more value and get someone much better with less control or slightly better with the same control due to the value added by other players included in the trade. Another possibility is to get a better pitcher who has a higher salary, which we can absorb. I like Houck, a lot. Suggesting a trade does not always mean I value him less than others do- not that you said that.

So, you think he talked JH & Co. out of extending Bogey?

Isn't that who we were talking about, or am I totally lost on this one?

I'm all in on Devers Forevers, but if they are going to let him walk, trade him, this winter. They may be waiting to extend him, so the tax hit starts, next season. I'm thinking they have to know the public relations hit they'd take by losing him, even by trade. I really have to think they know another big hit could be very damaging to their bank account success. I think they extend him, but my hopes are lessening.

Is it a lie to think they "wanted Bogey," but only at their price? Again, I'm not defending the Sox top brass. I agree with you on them not ever wanting to pay Bogey what they knew he'd get, but that is technically not the same as not "wanting him." Yes, they played games with the media and fans. They did not fool anybody- same with Lester, although I think their final and late offer fooled some fans into thinking they made an effort (not me.) I think the picture is becoming clearer: Bloom is not "in over his head," the marionette strings are above his head. He has done a fine job shielding upper management from criticism, until now.

Could Houck be a trade candidate, or does his health have to be roven, before any trade is made? Maybe package Houck with any of the 3-Ds: Downs, Duran and Dalbec. If we can get a better pitcher by adding players or prospects and making room on the 40 for Yoshida and Jansen, maybe it can happen, soon.

I see why you did not want to divulge. Glad he's a Met.

Still not a typical BorA$$ move. It was a good extension for the Sox, but we'll only remember the lowball. I'm not defending this lowball or Lester's. They both sucked. We could have signed Bogey to $160M/6 then traded him, if we didn't like his projection.

It looks like 6-7 idiot teams are showing off.

He "let him walk?" Schwarber chose to leave. Oh, and he also traded scraps to get Schwarber, too. Was that a "mistake?" It's so easy to just pick out mistakes. Maybe we sign Schwarber and not Wacha, Hill and Strahm.

Many owners and GM make more than 2 or 3 big mistakes. The fact that all of them have been within 3 years with a Devers calamity pending, I get your point. Many of us saw tough times coming. JH did, too. That's one reason he hired Bloom and set building up the farm and 40 man depth/foundation as the goal (IMO). In that context, none of this should be shocking. Upsetting, maybe, if you don't share the view or think they are overplaying that priority, but JH is still spending big. Since the CC and AGon deals, only Price was mega large and mega long, and that one bit him (and us) in the ass after 2018. On paper, the farm looks much better. It's fair to say "what good is on paper," if we don't use it to win, but I think they are sticking to the long game plan, and in theory, it seems to be the best plan, IMO. Most of the consistently winning teams have strong and deep farms. We have just gotten to or close to that point, and this was supposed to be the winter we could maybe break out and move towards acquiring top quality vs decent quantity. I was all for at least some shift towards that idea. The Story and Yoshida signings kinda fit that shift, and getting two more than decent RP'ers was a must. I'm feeling down, too, but I have not lost hope in "the plan," even if they won't articulate the exact plan to the fanbase. We have $43M to spend- maybe $40M and keep a buffer for the deadline. We need 2-3 key additions and one could be by trade. All is not lost, just yet.

I can't agree, except on the lowball part of the big picture. 2023 expenditures: $90M/5 Yoshida $32M/2 Jansen $17.5M/2 Martin $10M/1 Kike $2M/1 Joely That's $152M and $53.5 AAV. That's Bogey + Nimmo AAV money. We just spent it differently.

I'm being pulled in that direction, but I'm not there, yet. 4 rings and $40M more to spend. Let's see how this all ends up. If we sign Kluber, Andrus and Conforto and trade for Lopez, I'm giving them more time to let the long game play out.

It kind of amazes me they got BorA$$ to allow Bogey to sign that last contract that brought him one year past his controllable years at just $20M.

That only applies to red.

Nice! Or, Ort, DHern, or maybe Downs, Duran, Dalbec...

With Martin officially added to the 40, we still have Yoshida and Jansen to add. The usual suspects for DFA come to mind, but I have to think Bloom must be looki ng at some sort of 2 or 3 for 1 trade, or we trade someone like Brasier, DHern, Dalbec and/or Downs for a non 40 man prospect.

Enlighten us.

You have to wonder if Henry is content with 4 rings, and it's all about money and trying not to have the team look embarrassingly bad. I've been thinking we were just cycling to the next strong push to glory, and we may still get there. If you look at the strong prospects about to be called up in 1-2 years plus Casas & Bello, maybe JH is just planning to "pounce" in 2024 or 2025- with or without Devers.

$200/8, even after an "off year."

It was about the Mets not messing with crosstown Judge.

I don't even want Dugo in RF. I was just presenting what we have, right now, if Kike moves to 2B or SS.

Correa would take up almost the whole remaining budget, meaning no SP'er unless via trade. I'd like to see Correa, but he might get $380/12. We could afford Swanson + Nate or Kluber. We can afford Andrus, Conforto or Gallo + Kluber. I'm not sure any of these, except maybe Correa & a Devers extension quiets the masses.

Apparently, other GMs are "not learning lessons," either. I'm not trying to shield the Sox top brass from criticism. They deserve it, but what some of these other GMs (and owners) are doing is just plain insane in the brain.

That's what I said in my last sentence. Fans weren't happy before 2021, either. Winning solves a lot of issues. More work needs to be done to make that happen.