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...and a solid SP'er.

So, does this mean the Sox have nothing the M's might want?

If the Mariners want to sign a big 4 SS, maybe this would work for both sides: Houck (SP/RP) & Verdugo (OF) For Crawford (SS), Flexen (SP), Winker (OF/DH) BTV calls it a slight overpay by the Sox. (I'd even throw in Duran!)

I'm on pins and needles!

Some players seem to really love playing for Boston. Papi could have gotten more, elsewhere, but times do seem to have changed. Are we destined to never go much higher than what we gave Story? It's hard to know. $142/7 Crawford 2011 $154M/7 AGon 2012 $210M/7 Price 2016 $110M/5 JD 2018 $145M/5 Sale 2020 extension $140M/6 Story 2022 If one figures for inflation, we could add the Pablo $95M/5 & HRam's $88M/4 signings in 2015 and maybe Lackey's $83M/5 in 2010, but it does not really look like we are making fewer big signings. It looks pretty steady since about 2010. IMO, I think JH is waiting to make a big "pounce" signing until he thinks we are just 1 or 2 key players away from being a near top contender. When that might be is anybody's guess.

It does seem like paying Eflin $43M/3 would have been an overpay, but it's hard to weigh what the best overpay might be. Would $43M/3 for Eflin be better than $250M/6 deGrom? $143M/3 Verlander? $160M/5 Rodon? $42M/3 T Anderson? $13M/1 Clevinger?

Some seem to matter only to the person posting it.

I'd be a crybaby over that, if nothing more significant happened the rest of the winter. I'd be scratching my head over Abreu, even if we then signed Verlander, Bogey and Judge.

Yes, but I am the opposite of convinced he's reached some turn-around point in his career. BB/9 4.3 A 5.3 A+ 7.4 AA 7.8 AAA 7.7 MLB

Sometimes context matters.

Looking at fWAR and SP'ers for 2022 only, I like to lower thye IP sample size until you get to 150 SP'ers. That's 5 per team x 30 teams. This year, the IP level of 80 gets us to 146 pitchers. Think about that. While some may think fWAR rewards those with many IP by too much, how valuable is a good SP'er who gives only 80 IP? If you place 1-30 as #1s and 31-60 as #2s and so on, here is how it would break down: #1s 2. Rodon 3. Verlander 8. Bieber 9. Burnes 19. Quintana 20. M Perez 21. Kershaw 23. T Anderson 24. Castillo 25. Cobb 26. Snell 30. Woodruff #2s 36. Stripling 44. P Lopez 47. Montgomery 48. Bassitt 50. J Springs #3s 53. T Walker 54. Cueto 55. Carrasco 56. S Gray 59. J Taillon 60. C Quantrill 61. Luzardo 62. Syndergaard 63. T Mahle 65. M Keller 67. Stroman 68. Montas 69 Brubaker 71 Greinke 73 Kyle Gibson 74. Jon Gray 76. Rich Hill 77. R Ray 82. Wacha 83. Morton 85. Pivetta 89. Cole Irvin #4s 95. Urquidy 97. Odorizzi 98. Berrios 100. Kopech 102. Manaea 104. Nate 105. Houser 117. T Rogers #5s 121. ERod 123. B Keller 127. Archer 128. Bumgarner 130. Flexen 132. Clevinger 146. Kikuchi From 2020-2022 (150+ IP creates a sample size of 149 SP'er) Possible additions via trade or signing? 8. Bieber 9. Woodruff 24. Nate 26. Bassitt 31. Morton 33. Cobb 34. Lopez 37. Snell 42. Verlander 47. T Rogers 51. Manaea 61. Eflin (just signed) 65 Kluber 69 Quintana 70 Quantrill 72 T Walker 73 J Taillon 76 R Hill 79 Pivetta 84 Heaney 86 Flexen 88 Urquidy 89 Irvin 94 Luzardo 97 Wacha 99 M Keller 103 Brubaker

To me, it starts with a strong and deep farm, as well as a system that masters prospect development. Top major and minor league talent evaluators are essential. Good manager and a solid roster foundation. See: it's easy!

So, not even another Story type signing, even with more money apparently available than last winter and arguably less slots to fill?

Martin Perez, too- just the wrong year. Your best pal, Kike, wanted to return, too.

Sometimes deals are not made when the other side fails to up their offer. Maybe some 3rd team steps in. Maybe they trade him at the 2020 deadline with everyone else. Getting nothing (except a comp pick) is what we will likely get for Bogey. It would have been for Betts, too, if we held out for a package some here think we should have gotten.

Or Verdugo and Maeda? Or the reported SDP offer? Holding out for better would have meant getting nothing.

Wow! Only 4 BBs per 9! At this rate, he'll get to 2 BB/9 by age 38.

You are really putting your chances at the Poster of the Year Award at risk. Hats off to going all out, until the end.

WAR is supposed to be all encompassing, but there is always some new shiny tool that comes along. Also, WAR just values what you produced. It does not always look at how you did it. How much luck was involved? It also is not meant to predict what is to come.

I don't think it helps.

Yes. That's how most of these lists and decisions are made. I still think Bleis is the real deal... not that Casas isn't, too.

They did "replace him-" just not anywhere near in kind, as expected. I think his point was more about how little we did to even get to average in RF.

Nobody was saying we'd finish last in 2013 or the years MVP mentioned, except 2020. Nobody said the word "tank," that I remember, but the pre-season outlook was very similar to 2012 and 2014.

MVP: What were the moves to replace Mookie?

I get a funny feeling he'd have been the best of 2 signed, or worse, the only one.