moonslav59

$16M, in today's market is over $20M a year- maybe $25M. You'd sign the 2020 Price to $20M x 4 years, now? If you answer yes, please stop bashing Bloom. You are worse.

No, because I know beforehand about age regression, especially in pitchers already showing skill decline and massive IP decline. Not at $32M. Not at $16M, even at today's inflated prices.

Yes on this. No on 180/8. I'd rather have Conforto and Andrus than Nimmo and having to play Arroyo at 2B and Story at SS, or Kike at SS and Dugo in RF.

The only legit argument, IMO, is that we should have locked him up before it would have taken $220M.

I doubt it. He does not fit their RF profile. He's worth more to someone else as a LF'er than us as a DH or platoon 4th OF'er.

If we plan on getting a good SP via free agency, we might have to skimp at SS (Andrus) or CF/RF (Kiermaier or maybe we can afford Gallo/Conforto and trade Dugo.)

It was expected he was in decline before we knew he took 2020 off. His decline was already well underway. We don't pay half is salary, if he was worth what he was before 2020. His 2018 season was worse than 2017. ERA+ 122 TBR 136 DET 118 BOS (123 in 2018> 114 in 2019) The real decline was in IP: He led the league in 2016 for BOS with 230, then... 75 in '17 176 in '18 107 in '19 Who looks at these numbers and say, "I'm not sure if he is declining or not?"

It wasn't even close. There was no Kimbrel, and having no closer has been a big beef, around here, since then. (No Joe Kelly, either.) No Nunez. Guys like JD and others like Pearce declined after 2018 or 2019. How is that Bloom's fault? 2We had the same SP'ers back, but almost all declined significantly, and some were predictable. By the time Bloom took over, Porcello was gone, Price was traded by force, Sale was toast, and Nate was not the same Nate as 2018 (5.99 ERA in 2019.) Get real. 2019 was not 2018, and the slide into 2020 was predictable and expected by all, but apparently you.

Agreed. I think only 700 thought the Dodgers made out on the Price addition.

Has anyone heard our name linked to Nimmo? BTW, I never heard us linked to Jansen or Yoshida, so... Nimmo and Senga for under $40M? More likely Nimmo and Kluber Nimmo, Andrus and Wacha Andrus, Conforto/Gallo and Nate (maybe Senga or Kluber)

We probably will settle for one.

If it's JH's call and "fault," maybe Bloom is precisely they type of GM that fits into these schemes. He does what he's told to do. There have been some good and great points made about the short-comings of this management team that starts from the top dog (JH) and the next level "dogs." Some serious mistakes have been made. I don't think anyone disagrees with that, and on this board that is really something. It seems like a major change in strategy has been underway, and as MVP pointed out, the way our top dogs treat people on the way out or before they chose to leave has been pretty bad, since at least the Tito departure. It's hard to see that changing as long as JH is in charge, but what matters most to me is whether or not the new strategy is a winning one. If they are trying to become like the Astros, and there are some signs they are, then maybe it all works out in the end. We did not have the tank years like the Astros did to really build up the farm, but it looks like building up and keeping the farm strong has become a major priority. That helps for long term consistency and winning, but we have not gotten to that point, yet. Letting some key players go does not mean the end of winning, if you do it correctly. The Astros just got comp picks for Springer, Cole, Correa and now Verander, but they had ML ready prospects and young players good enough to step in without missing much of a beat. It remains to be seen, if we reach their level, but it seems to me, it has to start with a strong and deep farm. Next comes building up a foundation of young, controllable players that gets you to the point where just 2-3 key FA additions are needed, each year- maybe just 1, some years. The budget needs to be in sync, so re-sets can occur every 2-3 years. It's a tough balancing act, and it takes time to get to that position. I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we have just $40M left and no ace and a big hole in the middle of our line-up..

We did get one more year from a BorA$$ client, so it wasn't all that bad, but better options should have been chosen, including and extension 1-2 years ago or even earlier this season.

Cora has seemed very reluctant to platoon Dugo, despite his awful splits.

I'd say Ward might have more value than our 33-40 or 35-40 men on the 40. Like you said earlier, maybe they saw something bad, and just plain gave up hope.

After his first season here, I expected further improvement. It never happened. This summer, I spoke about us having too many left fielders, then we added Pham. Now, we replaced Pham with Yoshida. Dugo in RF makes a mockery of the idea we needed JBJ for RF. The Astros want a LF'er. If we take back A Garcia as part of a Marlins trade for a SP'er, maybe they'd want him. I'm sure there are other options. He does have plus value.

Me, too. I like the signing- and Martin, too. Not sure about Joely, but we needed a lefty. If Houck stays in the pen and his healthy, out pen is now a strength.

If the Astros were not winning so damn much, the same beefs could be hurled at them.

I find myself agreeing with you more and more. That scares the hell out of me! LOL!

Yes, but we still had a window afterwards, too.

I think we can come close to the 2022 JD at DH among who we have already. We need another very good bat and it looks like SS, RF or Catcher (via trade only)

Those 3 would be very close to $40M. If Dugo is acceptable in RF, why didn't they play him there more, this year?

The minute we signed Story, I felt almost certain Bogey was gone.

By the time we finish filling out our 26 man roster, all three might be gone anyway, unless we make some 3 for 1 trade. So, the comp should really be Ward and Politi vs the new #39 and #40. Would that be Park and Hosmer? My guess is, we trade Dalbec for a non 40 man prospect and fins someone willing to make a 2 for 1 trade (Dugo & ____ for a SS, RF'er, RP'er or SP'er.

Exactly. He's already waited too long on Devers, especially with him now seeing what others are making this winter.