moonslav59

When we signed Story, my 50-50 odds on Bogey staying dropped to 20-80. It fell further as the season ended, and one we started seeing the mega deals being signed, I thought maybe 10% was too high.

I've said all along, I don't think they ever valued Bogey at the "market rate" at any point on the timeline of contract talks. They certainly never valued him at what BorA$$ was asking, of he'd be here. I'd guess it might have something to do with his defense and reluctance to move off position, but it might have just been something very simple. They just did not ever place the value needed to get the job done. They might turn out to be right. It's easy to look and say, had they only offered Bogey what they maybe offered him near the end, 2-9 months earlier, he might still be here, but the market going up is what might have changed their off- not what they thought he was valued at comparatively. For argument's sake, say we could have gotten Bogey for $200M/8 back in March. The Sox must not have wanted him for that, or they thought nobody would offer than ,and he'd come back and settle for $190M/8 or lower. My guess is they didn't want him at even $190M/8. Then, when the price went up, their offer never kept pace or maybe even barely budged. I cannot say for sure, but I'm thinking the Sox would not sign him, right now, for $210M/8. That's why he's gone. They might have grossly underestimated what other GMs would spend and truthfully felt they could sign him and were not lying when they said, he was their top priority. We may never know. I could be way off.

I think saying we want to be like the Rays is hyperbole. The Rays would never spend $300M in a 9 month period. Let's face it: Henry is spending money- just not on our beloved, homegrown players. There are some owners going downright nutty with their spending, but Henry's total winter spending since the end of 2021 has been among the top 7 or 8, if I'm not mistakes. Last winter: $140M/6 Story $19M/2 Barnes extension $7M/1 Wacha $6M/1 Paxton $5M/1 R Hill $4M/1 Diekman $3M/1 Strahm $2M/1 Robles $11M more for JBJ over Renfroe (counting JBJ's buyout) $197M Total last winter This winter, so far: $105M/5 Yoshida (counting posting fee) $32M/2 Jansen $22M/2 J Turner $19M/2 Martin $2M/1 or $6M/2 Joely $180M Total, so far. We will likely have spent between $380M and $400M over the last 2 winters, combined.

I'm expecting Turner to have a very nice season... probably better than Drury and Brantley.

I'd have been okay with Drury, instead of Turner, but I'm still clinging to my mantra of us having much higher needs than DH.

One could say the same about just about every owner in MLB, even the lowest spending ones. If they all felt like Cohen, what would happen?

Unlike others, I'm not so sure Devers wants to leave Boston. It's a great hitters park for lefties, and he knows the Sox are still one of the higher spending teams in MLB, even over the last 2 years combined. Fans love him. I'm thinking Devers may have to move down by more than the Sox are willing to move up. Just a gut feeling.

So, it's like Bogey redux. Say no to $300M a few months ago, and now offer $300M, when he won't take it. Isn't that the trap the Sox fell into with Bogey? If the final offer to Lester was genuine, same with him. They could have had him for that offer, had they made it earlier.

If it's true, and we know how they set a player's value and hardly budge, then it's over, already.

I really don't want to think about it, but I'd say we get more, now, and we should know, soon, if we can meet his demands, or not.

The thing is, by next year, he just may get $400M/12, at his age.

"Everything" has it's own special meaning to Red. We are just digging too deep into what words actually mean. He's not the only one pretending there is some legion of complete and total Bloom defenders and apologists. The ones of us who find ourselves adding context to bloom bashing posts or outright exposing falsities or partial falsities have all been critical, and at times highly critical of multiple moves by Bloom. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling a few posters who bash bloom often, have less examples of praising some of his good moves than we have on critical examples.

They never said a player or two out of those 7-9 might be via trade- like trading away Verdugo and acquiring a SP, SS or RF'er.

Has we not signed J Turner, he may have come our way.

I think that has been more out of necessity. Since the end of March, we've seen: $140M/6 Story $90M/5 Yoshida $32M/2 Jansen $17.5M/2 Martin Maybe a 2 year deal for Kluber and or Andrus is in the works.

Isn't "my" a personal pronoun?

Our future actually looks much better than the here and now, but as the great band The Smiths would sing... How Soon Is Now?

There is no guarantee the next guy will spend even as much as JH, which by the way, is still top 7 or 8 in MLB.

Drury signs for $17M/2 with Angels. Not a bad deal, IMO.

Me neither, and they both make way more. I even like Kike's deal over Haniger and Benis's due to his length of the deal and the fact we already have 2 starting LF'ers.

It's ultimately going to com e down to JH's decision, but will always be linked to Bloom. Devers would make the hat trick.

Yes, he should be compared to JD and J Turner, not Kike.

A lot of what has gone on, this winter, has been in secret. I'm not sure who said "galaxies apart," but if either side feels like that, it's not good.

Would you trade Kike for either Joc or Cody?

Are Pederson and Bellinger that much better, if better at all?