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And his salary is pretty low as was Josh Taylor’s.

I’m glad we won. The negativity has been in high gear. I’m in San Fransisco for a week, so I only caught part of the game in the airport- luckily the big inning! Let’s sweep!

No, but he “wrote the book!” Lol

Yes, both.

I dont think anyone expected Kike to be this awful as a 2-3 month bridge. Chang’s injury was hurtful, too. Thinking mondesi would be easy earlier was another factor. It’s still Bloom’s mistake or Cora’s.

2B v R andL and/or CF vs L

Projecting again

Someone suggested he might be the odd man out when Story and Duvall return. Oooops!

I think people see names like Betts, Bogey, Sale, Price, JD and others and think “wow, Bloom inherited a nice team, but some of these guys got hurt or did not come close to producing like 2018 and many started their decline in 2019. The 2019 record was no fluke. Bloom was handed that team minus Betts and Price among others, essentially. The farm was worse. The budget was way worse. This does not mean Bloom has done great. He hasn’t, but conte t is needed, IMO. It wasn’t Bloom that decided to cut the budget and for e the Betts trade. The 2019 team minus Betts was Blooms starting point.

I guess differing expectations and differing beliefs on where Bloom started from is the heart of our beliefs on Blooms grade variances

I get that point, and it is valid and essentially is the bottom line. It’s like 2021’s moves looked bad but we won, and Wacha, Hill and Strahm looked better than Richards and Perez but we lost. This year is still pending.

Agreed. Like the opposite of the JBJ concept.

Well said, as usual. There have certainly been some head scratcher moves- JBJ being number one for me, but at the money we spent on most of these guys listed, I just can’t see the thinking that Bloom has missed on most of his bigger moves.

WOO lost 9-4 Bobby Dee with his 13th HR and a BB (1.050 OPS) POR lost 9-7 Mayer 0-4 w BB Rafaela 3-4 w HR Meidroth 2-4 w 2B GRE won 13-6 HRs by Ferguson (1-5), Jordan (3-4) and Miller (1-4) Lopez went 4-5 and Erro 3-5 SAL game suspended after 3 Innings.

That makes it sound like he's on a 10 hand losing streak. How many of the last deals worth over $5M are bad? Devers Yoshida Turner Kluber Duvall Jansen Martin Go back beyond the winter... Kike extension Story Wacha Hill Paxton w 2023 option I see a mix or good, bad and meh, and when you look at $5-10M deals in MLB, what should b e the expectations on most of them? (Note: maybe I missed someone. I did this quickly and off the top of my head.)

Now, yes, but we still have 4.5 years remaining. That can be good or real bad.

I can't bring myself to bash Henry, even if he stays cheap for a while longer, and the word "cheap" is debatable, especially once the Devers deal kicks in. I'm not sure how much of a hand Henry or others had in many of the big deals, but most of the minor ones are likely all or mostly Bloom. The Sale, Bogey and Nate extensions and JD signings were JH's only major spendings that covered Bloom's first years. That's not chump change, but the production level was not as hoped. I'm also not sure how much of a hand Bloom had in talking JH into signing Story, Yoshida or Devers, and maybe they had to convince him to go along with them. I'm pretty sure Bloom was forced to trade Betts & Price and not replace even half of their salaries. I think Bloom was told to go low budget, build the farm and 40 man roster depth up to respectability. They hoped we could stay semi-competitive after 2020, and so far we have been half of those two years. IMO, and this is just speculation, JH heard the rumblings and knee-jerked the Story signing, while also thinking he could be a cheaper alternative to signing Bogey, later. I don;t think JH ever intended to pay Bogey much more than what Story got, and that's why it played out like it did. Bloom spent a ton of money from Story to Devers (14 months,) but IMO not enough on SP'ing. I'm not pissed at that, because I haven't really wanted any major FA SP'er in a few years. I think trading for one makes more sense, but goes against the farm-building plan, bigtime. That's why we are where we are, today. I like the farm, but we won't know for a while how good it is. I like the 40 man depth, and we are seeing results from it, this year.I like just about every Bloom winter signing and thought the Kluber signing was okay- just not enough. I can't blast a guy for doing something I was okay with, but he still is responsible for the failure (and successes.) I really did not want to say, "Next year is our better shot," but it's looking like that, unless Story, Duvall, Sale, Schreiber all come back and give us a second half boost.

How about back-to-back doubleheaders with 30 man rosters allowed.

Bloom has a few additions deserving of credit and a few not so much, and even a few deserving of scorn. The first few years saw tight budget restrictions and even a major contraction year one (2020.) (A few of these could change scores before their time is up.) Some Good: Whitlock (Rule 5) Yoshida (FA) Schreiber (Waivers) Refsnyder (minor league FA) Renfroe (FA) Jansen (FA) Martin (FA) McGuire for Diekman & his salary Valdez & Abreu for 2 mos of Vaz Kike (FA yr 1) Wacha (FA) Hill (FA) Strahm (FA) Turner (FA) Robles, Davis, Iggy, Shaw 2021 summer deals Some Fair: Pivetta for 2 washed up RP'ers Dugo & Wong for 1 yr of Betts & Half Price Wink, Gambrell, de la Rosa for Beni Paxton (FA: bad '22/ good '23 option) Duvall (???) Tapia, Bernardino, Reyes, Garza Arroyo (Waivers) Some Bad: Story Kluber Richards Perez (a year or two early) JBJ, Hamilton & Binelas for Renfroe Barnes extension Kike (FA yr 2 and 3) Springs (good get- bad timing) & Mazza for R Hern Marwin (only $3M) I'm sure I missed some from each category, or some are debatable placements.

That may happen. Remember, it was Ben's foundation and trade fodder that helped DD get us to the promiseland. Maybe Bloom will have someone say the same thing about his legacy. Maybe Bloom stays and wins a ring, like Ben did. If Bloom is doing what JH is asking, why should JH fire him?

I was gonna crack a joke about responding to posts you don't read, but thought better.

Too bad we didn't become Tampa Bay North.

JH has a very long leash with me.

It looks like we could probably have afforded Nate & Kluber according to Spotrac. Had we not added Mondesi or Joely, we could have under cots. It was the years that scared the Sox away.

Woo is getting beat badly, early. Por is down 7-3 halfway through. Rafaela is 2-3 w his 4th HR Kavadas 1-2 w BB Mayer 0-2 GRE is up big, early Jordan 2-2 w HR & 2B & BB Lopez & Ero 3-3 Paulino 2-3 w BB SAL up 2-0 in the 4th w Rain Delay JRamirez with 1 hitter Ferguson 1-3 w HR & BB