moonslav59

We could have started Walter, who seems like a better option that 2 pen games every 5 days, but for some reason they put their trust in Jacquez and Llovera, before them it was Ort and Brasier, and ... The one bright spot of this season was the play from multiple recent prospect call-ups: Bello, Casas, Murphy, Wong and Duran (not so recent on Jarren, but his maturation was.) We also had some minor or brief help from the likes of Bernardino, EValdez and others. We've used 28 pitchers, this year, not counting Reyes. We've used 23 over 6 IP and 20 over 11 IP. We've seen so many hit the IL, some predictable, that I'd need a couple pages to list them all. It certainly a big reason we are struggling has been the amount of pitchers who have sucked or underperformed expectations, but we have seen 14 pitchers wtih 6+IP have an ERA under 4.60 (Sale at 4.58 was doing much better before going back on the IL.) 13 pitchers with 6+ IP have ERAs under 4.20, including 5 of our top 6 IP pitchers: 3.79 Bello (102 IP) 4.19 Pivetta (92) 3.62 Crawford (82) 5.05 Houck (68) 2.82 Wink (61) 9 of our top 13 pitchers by ERA were under 4.19. 8 of 13 below 3.80 7 of 13 below 3.63 The killers have been: 5.05 Houck (5th in IP) 4.58 Sale (7th, although he was coming around) 7.04 Kluber (8th) 5.23 Whitlock (9th) These guys were widely viewed as among our best 4-5 starters going into the year. It's rather remarkable we have gotten this far with those results, and I bring this up to point to the idea that pitching depth from the farm has actually been a strength, not the weakness you claim it is. Other stinkers down on the list of zIP: 5.40 Bleier (14th 6.26 Ort (15th) 7.29 Brasier (17th) 5.85 Jacques (18th) 7.36 Garza (19th) 6.55 Joely (21st) That's about 120 IP of horrific pitching. Although some were mop-up innings, and 120 IP is only 12% of all IP, I have to think these 6 lost more than just a few games for us. I'm not going to blame the need to use these guys on injuries, but one could. I do think we stuck with a few way longer than we should have. The major reason our staff has sucked is those top 4 underperforming pitchers, which may wrongly include Sale, due to his first 3 starts. Many who took up the slack of those struggling pitchers, carried this team. It was our pitching depth, including the rise of our middle/long relief pitchers, who have helped us stay above .500, this year. IP Rank Pitcher ERA 2. Pivetta 4.19 (has really improved since April) 3. Crawford 3.62 4. Paxton 3.60 6. Wink 2.82 10. Bernardino 2.72 11. Jansen 3.06 12. Martin 1.53 13. Murphy 1.59 16. Schreiber 3.57 20. Walter 3.07 6 of these 10 were considered "pitching depth" on opening day: Paxton, Crawford, Wink, Bernardino (added later), Murphy and Walter.. Although Murphy and Walter's sample sizes are rather small (43 IP combined), they have done a fine job when used and may help in the next 2 months.

Two of the exciting things to happen this season for the Sox. Also, Duran, Casas, Wong, Yoshida, Martin and to some extent Pivetta and Jansen. Too bad this might be Turner's last season with the Sox. It's probably Paxton's last season, too. I hope we can cobble together a comeback, this year, and I still think we can, but we need the injured guys back soon, and without a long adjustment period. The clock is ticking. Tomorrow's game would be a good time to go on a long win streak.

They will wait to gain a year of control, and the OF is not an issue, this year.

All the posters who said he had "decimated the farm."

Woo won 6-3 as Houck threw 46 pitches. (1.2 IP, 3H, 2ER, 3BB, 3K) Walter 3.1, 2H, 0ER, 1BB, 0K Rafaela, DHam and CHam homered. Story 1-4 w 2B. Jordan and Yorke homered in the POR loss. Rosier 2-5 (.820) Miller almost hit for the cycle in GRE's loss (1B, 3B, HR) Bonaci went 3-4. Salem won 7-0. Paez (6IP, 2H, 0ER, 1BB, 1K) Salazar hut a granny Jimenez went 3-5 FCL won 7-2 Teel 3-3 with homer Alcantara 2-5 DSL Blue won 10-4 Cespedes 4-5 w HR & 2B Nunez 3-5 w HR & 2B DSL Red won 11-10 Linarez 4-5 w 2B & 3B GRod 3-4 w HR

Cut the cord on both. We have Story & Sale coming off the 60, so we need two slots on the 40. I'd DFA both, but since Reyes is out of options, maybe he will be one of the two to go.

Didn't Dugo get benched one game, earlier, this year for dogging it? Maybe notin is right- he will be traded.

We need to cut the cord on Jacques-- like yesterday. Call up Walter or Sale, if he's ready. Llovera should go, too.

He's done well for us, so far. 36.1 IP 31 Hits 10 BB 42 K 2.97 ERA 1.13 WHIP 12K/9 IP He may be a fluke, but what is not to like, so far?

Finding ways to lose, again. Not good at all.

Well, Song did make up to 4th on SP's rankings list, so I think it's understandable his name was more recognizable. The funny thing is, Politi may be the best of the 3, and nobody really talked about his selection.

The stats show he has 4 friends, but the eye test says zero.

Sox have fallen to just 5 games over .500, and once again the naysayers have returned to the roost to sing the "Sox Nation Song," only they know how to sing it. 57-52 '23 54-55 '22 (lost the next 4 games) 64-45 '21 (went 4-8 afterwards 59-50 '19 (lost the next 5 games) Let's hope we can reverse the August trend!

Rafaela homered in 4 straight games. Maybe we have our starting CF'er for 2024: C Wong, McGuire (Scott) 1B Casas, (Dalbec) 2B Urias, Reyes (EValdez/Yorke) SS Story, Chang (DHam/Mayer) 3B Devers (Dalbec) LF Duran, Reysnyder (Yoshida) CF Rafaela (Duran) RF Verdugo, Abreu DH Yoshida (Dalbec) Focus on improving the pitching staff.

1. Duran CF 2. Yoshida LF 3. Turner DH 4. Devers 3B 5. Duvall RF 6. Casas 1B 7. Urias 2B 8. Wong C 9. Chang SS

Like Casas is your "boy." LMAO

You are my witness. Although an easily impeachable one.

Total crock.

I'm not sure anything more can be added. It's all rehash, now.

Word from MLBTR says the Marlins were in "extensive" talks with the Sox on Justin Turner. Maybe a sell-off was very close to coming to fruition.

Some 26 and 40 man roster decisions will need to be made, soon. Story comes off the 60 day IL: DFA: Garza and demote Urias or DFA Reyes Sale comes off the 60 day IL: DFA: Kluber Demote: Jacques Houck comes off the IL: Demote Llovera Whitlock comes off the IL: DFA Bleier or demote Bernardino or Murphy Joely comes off the IL: (see Whitlock choices)

I doubt it would cause the same uproar, again. We will not protect him, again. IMO, he won't be selected.

They may just demote Urias, if they like Reyes that much.

He's admitted he no longer watches baseball, but his "eye test" opinions keep flowing.

You assume the pulse of Sox Nation is right. You assume you know what that pulse is. I know Cora wanted help at the deadline, as did a few players if not most players. All I can say is that I am glad the players and fans don't make the decisions. Yes, Cora, the guy you have continually bashed, knows way more than I do, but so do Bloom and the Sox upper brass who made some choices against the wishes of "the pulse" and Cora and some vocal players. My guess is the Sox upper brass knows more than "some of those guys have forgotten," too. I, for one, happen to have agreed with Cora, and I hoped we had made more moves at the deadline, but I don't know what other teams wanted for rentals and others, so I won't bash the management of the team I love based on hearsay and worse. I'm not sure why you keep feeling the need to repeat, over and over, that you hear different things than what you hear on this site. It is meaningless to everyone, but apparently, you. Your assumption that you are the worldly one why some of us are locked in a tiny corner of talksax is absurd and reveals everything anyone needs to know about your pettiness and doubletalk. It's more than the second time I have suggested you go be another team's fan, because you obviously only care about clinging to the few times you were right about a Sox player or employee sucking. Your obsession with Kike says it all. For some reason, it really ugged the s*** out of you than some of us got overly hung up on his second half or 2021 and hoped and cheered like real fans do, that he might repeat the second half of 2021 in 2022 and 2023. That's what real fans do, and you chose to gloat about being right that he was nothing more than a "utility player." Hurray for you! You being right was more important than Kike doing well, again. We get it. Please move on to another team's fanbase. They will love having fans like you aboard.