moonslav59
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I meant to say, "The prospects got better and baseball is now less watered down" now that Bloom is gone.
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Again, be careful what you wish for. Some of us remember previous owners and shudder to think of who might replace JH.
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I agree, but why keep saying Hosmer when McGuire was clearly the key addition in '22. Hell, even Pham was more key than Hosmer, and Hosmer was not even the key player returned in that trade- Rosier was.
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It's not easy filling needs before the deadline. Basically, it's winter or within a week of the deadline for 98% of all trades.
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Agreed.
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The prospects just got better with Bloom gone.
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The thing is, Bloom has done more than just draft and sign IFAs to improve the farm. His trades, and Rule 5 selections have already given dividends, and that is not "speculative," anymore. (Some still are to varying degrees.) Already give us plau production: (bWAR) 4.9 Whitlock 2.4 Wong 1.5 Winckowski 0.9 Bernardino (-0.2 w SEA and 1.1 w BOS) 0.7 WAbreu (20 gms) 0.2 ZKelly (19 games) TBD: GGambrell EValdez Rosier NRobertson TDenlinger L de la Rosa Not much of a shot.... RHernandez DHam MFerguson ABinelas
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Not being able to bring yourself to just say, "it looks better now than in 2019" seems a bit harsh, to me. But, I'm not you, so I get it.
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I'm hoping for more, but even .700 and GG D at SS would be a big addition to the team. I'm thinking our D can also get better by DH'ing Yoshi more, and the more Rafaela plays, the better our D can be. I don't see a need to try and improve it by signing D first players. Spend on pitching and let the improved D greatly improve our run prevention area. The hitting may need a big RH'd bat, and getting one that is a plus on D would be nice, but not essential. Bringing back Duvall and nothing else on the everyday player side does it for me.
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I get that point, but I'm speaking to only the point about the return on JD "not being enough." To me, the draft improvement was worth it alone, so who cares what players were offered? Yes, I'd have traded Nate, Wacha, Hill, Strahm, and then after all that, I'd have asked Bogey, if he still wanted to finish the season in Boston on a hapless team. One could also ask, why stop at Vaz?
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We all know the value is speculative, even on guys like Bello and Casas to some degree, but the improvement on paper is obvious. Of course, we won't know until we see the results, just as those who slammed DD for "emptying the farm" are now happy he brought us Casas and Bello (and Crawford, Duran...) Not all 16th ranked farms turn out better than 30th ranked farms. I get that. I have gone out of my way to keep saying "speculative, speculative, speculative," but to some extent every move made by GMs are speculative, until you see the results. All we can hope for is to think an improvement on paper will translate to wins and maybe even rings. It's not an exact science, but not thinking Anthony, Teel, Mayer, Blies and Cespedes have major potential and that the likelihood 3-4 end up doing very well isn't something to be happy about, seems a bit harsh, to me, but to each his own.
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One thing I find interesting about Bloom's winter moves is that I thought the one before 2021 was worse than before 2022 and 2023. The Renfroe acquisition turned to gold, but Richards, Perez II, Marwin, Diekman, Sawamura, Santana and others were worse than... 2022 Wacha, Hill, Strahm, but yes, the JBJ trade sucked bigtime 2023 Turner, Martin, Jansen, Duvall, Paxton ('22), Yoshi, Kluber
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You weren't optimistic during the season?
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Would you trade JD straight up for the improvement of our two comp draft picks by 2 rounds and an extra $1M in bonus money? To me, the player return was near meaningless, if not totally meaningless.
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30th is way worse, and I happen to think we are better than 16th but maybe not as good as 5th. (7th to 10th is probably where we are, and that is light years better than 26th to 30th.) Anthony Teel Mayer Bleis Cespedes Rafaela, Abreu, Wikelman, Perales, Zanetello & maybe Yorke and a few others are very respectable prospects. When you figure, we just graduated Bello, Casas, Wong, Crawford and Wink in the last 12 months, it's hard to understand anyone who does not think it is vastly improved over 2019-2020.
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I know the "hit rate" on big FA SP'er signings is not great, but I think you should be able to get "good starters" for this: $25M x 7 SP $25M x 6 SP $25M x 5 SP $5M x 3 for LH RP
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There was a point, somewhere somewhat deep into the season, where the Sox had played the toughest schedule to date.
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If Story can just hit like his road OPS while with COL (.725) and give us near GG defense at SS, next year, our SS position will have improved by leaps and bounds over 2023. As of now, our SS position has hit .629 (no help from Story, here) and the defense has been as bad at SS as I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching Sox SS play D, before Story's return.
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Okay, maybe not "giving up," (poor choice of words by me,) but certainly not helping improve the chances on the here and now. The trade was for prospects and the "future," or "suspects as you like to call them.
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I think many feel like to get to a point where you have to just settle on the best offer, no matter how bad it seems to be. It did not have to be JD, but getting under the tax line, so we'd have better draft picks and more bonus pool money, seemed like enough of a "return on trade" for JD, by itself. Anything else we got back could be viewed as gravy. If the Sale trade rumor is 100% true, that is an unforgivable mistake. I'd have called for Bloom to be fired on the spot, if I knew then, what we seem to know, now. I don't care, if the return was Brasier's twin.
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You were optimistic in 2021?
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In hindsight, trading Sale would not have really hurt the "here and now," but at the time, everyone would have viewed it as giving up on the now. I'm just pointing out how leaking this news seems to run counter to the narrative that Bloom should have tried harder to win now. I suppose he could have trades Sale and then made other "buy" traes to more than offset trading Sale. Again, it's obvious they fired Bloom for not winning in '22 and '23, but they are throwing everything they can at him, including stuff that goes counter to their narrative. It's like they are trying to give everyone a reason to blame Bloom and only Bloom, and not themselves to even a tiny extent.
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You are arguing with someone who agrees.
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Many felt 2022 was the wake up call for JH. The Devers extension gave hope we might be poised for a splurge. Going over the tax line, in 2022, may have hurt more than we know, but I seriously doubt we'd have gone over in 2023, no matter what we did in 2022. I am no longer expecting a splurge. I'll believe it when I see it. I think the odds are we stay under the line in '24.
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It was about losing in the here and now. I am not disagreeing. However, the leaks about not trading Sale, JD, Paxton... show that was part of the reason they lost trust in him. This board did not leak that info. Hence: rock and hard place.
