Kimmi
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I agree with Dojji, YOTN, and Southpaw on this one. There's nothing wrong with recognizing excellence and hard work. A little pat on the back now and then can go a long way in terms of future performance.
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They are getting better, as the voters become more educated. If they want it done right, they need to let the stat geeks vote.
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Beckett was given his initial extension because management loved his work ethic and they felt that he was a good role model for younger pitchers to model themselves after. Beckett also received another extension in 2010, which I'm pretty sure he would not have received if the FO had any issues with him being a 'problem'. He might have been a 'problem' in 2012, but that was after he was unfairly crucified for the chicken and beer thing and that was during the Valentine fiasco. No, those things don't excuse Beckett from having a bad attitude, if he did indeed have one, but my whole point was that he got a bum rap for the 2011 collapse.
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I agree that some players cannot be moved around, but in most cases, I think it's more of a mental/ego thing than it is an ability thing. The decisions about where a player plays have to be made based on what's best for the team, not what's best for the player. I don't think management would ask a player to play a position that they did not think the player has the ability to play. If a player is asked to take on a less 'prestigious' role for the betterment of the team, then he should do it with a team first attitude. It should not be considered as a demotion, but rather as how the player can best help his team.
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I really hope they don't trade Swihart or any of their catchers until at least midseason, until we have a better feel for what kind of production we might get from Leon and Vazquez. I also hope they keep Swihart in AAA until at least then and preferably longer. He needs to have a full season in AAA to focus on his catching skills and nothing else.
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LOL That was funny. There are so many players that could be available and so many trade scenarios that might be possible that it's hard for me to speculate about different trade scenarios. I have no idea who GMs are willing to part with and what their asking price is. It's fine to speculate, but I'd rather wait for a trade to happen, then analyze it in terms of how we made out. It's a lot easier to do when you know who the exact pieces are.
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I really enjoy watching the WBC, but at the same time, I prefer that none of the Sox players participate in it. Especially pitchers.
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Or maybe it was due to injuries to the pitching staff and a string of bad luck. Yes, losing probably did contribute to some clubhouse tension, but I don't think clubhouse tension came first.
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I 100% agree with you on this. I was very pleased when I read that Porcello would not be pitching in the WBC and his reasons for his decision.
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Was Beckett a clubhouse problem in 2011 though? The FO overreacted to the 2011 collapse, IMO. Hiring Valentine to come in to 'whip this team into shape' was mistake number one. Actually, it was mistake number 3, behind letting Theo and Tito go. Valentine created a terrible clubhouse atmosphere, if you ask me, and there is a lot of evidence to support that. I think the culture of the clubhouse and Ben's statement that it needed to be changed had more to do with Valentine than it did Beckett. This is nothing more than my opinion, of course, but I still don't believe that Beckett was the bad egg that people are making him out to be.
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As one of the writers suggested, there should be a Player of the Year Award. That would go to Trout without him being penalized for playing on a bad team.
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I know you disagree with me on this, but I think there is a difference between the most valuable player and the best player. I think that some players bring value to the team that can't be measured by stats or by WAR. And if you know anything about me, you know that I'm a big believer in stats and I'm a big fan of WAR. I am not trying to say that Trout or Mookie were not valuable. They were both very valuable to their teams in terms of wins contributed. I just think Papi was more valuable in terms of what he brought to the team through his leadership, his mentoring of the young players (and Hanley), and the 'rallying' factor to win one more ring before he retired. I think it comes down to the way 'most valuable' is interpreted. It's a very subjective term.
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I just don't think it was that bad. I should say, I don't think that it was a bad clubhouse atmosphere that caused the collapse. Perhaps the collapse created some tension in the clubhouse, which losing tends to do. How was the team so well earlier in the season? If the Sox had just a decent September and made the playoffs, we would have never heard anything about chicken and beer or anything about Beckett being a 'problem'. I don't think it was a big issue. But of course, that's the type of thing that the media blows up and runs with.
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To me, the most valuable player is the player who was the most important to his team, not the player who was the best. I would argue that both Papi and Pedroia were more valuable to the team than Trout or Mookie. That's not to take anything away from Trout or Mookie, who are both awesome. I can certainly understand why people would vote for them.
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Congrats to Trout. I still think there is a difference between the most valuable player and the best player. Trout, without a doubt, was the best player in 2016. I have no problem with him winning the award because 'most valuable' is such a subjective title. That said, I would have voted for Ortiz.
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I think Beckett got a bad rap. I never thought he was the clubhouse cancer that he was reported to be.
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Ben says you're welcome, as he has said so many times this year.
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Shame on Kate. It's not like Justin was a clear cut winner or had stats far better than the other top candidates. She has created controversy and taken the spotlight away from our boy Porcello. Way to be a gracious loser, Kate.
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Not bad for a #4 pitcher. Congrats Rick!
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Theo Epstein; Greatest Baseball Executive Ever
Kimmi replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
I really don't have any doubt in my mind that he would have built a great team even without the payroll. -
That's possible, but I don't see it happening if Dombrowski is being sincere about wanting Swihart to focus solely on catching. I guess in a pinch Swihart could go back to being a part time left fielder, but that puts us back in the same position that we are in now in terms of determining how good of a catcher he can be.
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Pedroia took a fair home team discount, but that's the trade off that a player accepts to receive long term security before he becomes a free agent. If a player is looking to get free agent money while he's still in his arb years, then the team is assuming all the risk while the player assumes none. Don't insult the player with a Lester type offer, but also don't talk about these crazy 10 year deals @ $30 mil per year when a player is several years away from free agency.
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You're welcome.
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The Sox are reportedly the team showing the most interest in Holland. His price tag may get a little too pricey though, and I believe he also stated that he prefers to go to a team where he will be the closer.
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I read a tweet that the Phillies were not pleased that Hellickson accepted the offer. Apparently they really wanted the draft pick, in which case trading him for prospects would make sense. Or perhaps getting him back on a reasonable one year deal then trading him was their intention all along.
