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I honestly do not think that there is a hard and fast plan to do that. obviously no one wants to spend one penny more than they have to but i do not think that John Henry has or will say that there is a specific limit that he will not go over.

Now I realize that I am likely to get scoffed at for this one because I never have believed in any type of cliff nor have I thought that the franchise has a fast and firm budget that cannot be gone over. here is what I think - JBJ is likely gone - Porcello is gone - Benintendi may actually get traded - JD stays - that is all for starters.

their mental makeups possibly can be compared but that of course is it. In terms of talent as well as accomplishments, they are and have always been light years apart. I like Porcello but his potential can be replaced. Sale's cannot.

i clearly do not hang out with the "right fans". Now before you misunderstand me, i absolutely appreciate the great love of all metrics that many who post here have. I think that it is wonderful, just not my thing and I do consider myself a very good fan of the game. To take it one step further, no one and I mean no one that I know when having a conversation about the red sox or baseball in general has ever referred to anything that could even remotely be considered an advanced metric. I enjoy all of you folks who have such love for them and i do appreciate their significance but I truly do not think that fans that I know anyway discuss athletics in this way. And although I respect the knowledge base of anyone who has learned not only the terminology of metrics but also how they can be used, I do not think that gaining that knowledge makes anyone anything particularly special.

I think that everyone knows that taken in isolation a pitcher's won loss record is an unreliable means of evaluating a pitcher's overall performance. We know that. I'm a fairly good fan of the game but I have to say that I find the advanced stat overload cumbersome and for the most part meaningless to me. I'm not going to be making the trades or signing the players to come to play. I want to watch them play. I think that there is a place for all of us. I do not think that understanding what every advanced stat in existence being used today necessarily makes a person a better fan of the actual game of baseball. They serve a purpose just not for everyone.

Of course this is an accurate statement. Most stats are flawed as is just about everything else. There are always different ways to look at things and of course it is necessary to use all tools available when evaluating anything but as a very general statement I like pitchers who win. In the long run, I guess I think that the pitchers who win more than they lose are pretty good.

This my friend is an excellent point. Don't stay up late though waiting for the critics to tell you that the value of wins and saves is meaningless. Personally wins mean a great deal more to me than saves but to shrug them off as meaningless statistics doesn't seem to make too much sense.

hey I was kind of wondering about pedroia

Anyone still paying any attention to this argument between two successful adults is giving too much importance to the world of entertainment in my opinion. If this was an attitude shared by people in boston in general I would call it horribly regressive. Is it really that important to people that an athlete has to love the entire landscape that they are paid to perform in?

I have not been posting often primarily due to the fact that this team has been so painful to watch but I did read here on one these threads someone being quite critical of sale and that one got my attention. It has hurt me to watch him struggle as much as it has hurt anyone but I'm not buying anyone saying that he is done. Watching him pitch his last two starts should have shut up his numb nut critics. he still can throw. he is a warrior and exactly what any team in any sport needs. As for out bullpen - it has been a sad thing to watch. If you want to compete these days, obviously you have to have a good one. Ours isn't. You get what you pay for. You have to spend something to get something. Trying to to build one on the cheap may occasionally work especially for teams with no money but losing games by constantly experimenting really doesn't make much sense.

I've been cruising on the lake this summer and I have to say that it is a pretty good life.

thanks moon

Absolutely right. A non-story that didn't need to be written.

ok - I'll try this slant - Why is this a story of any particular interest at all? Eck is a hero in Boston and Price is a bad dude excepting of course to the people who matter - his teammates and coaches. It looks to me as though this is something between two alpha adult males and has nothing to do with any of us. Maybe we should start a "drive them out of boston" campaign because they don't like the people we think they should like. Personally I could care less about how David Price feels about Eckersley. Eck was a very good pitcher - thanks - that is it. We need Price to pitch well. if his teammates hated him perhaps I would see things differently but they don't seem to. i think that people should get over their need to know everything about everything.

I agree! Cut from the same cloth. Price is the pitcher. Eck had his day. Once again the media gets in the way. i cannot understand at all why any human would give a s*** about the feud that that these two guys seem to be having. Junior high.

yawn - feud between HOF announcer and a starting pitcher who can pitch and has great teammate support. Slow news day much?

I am in awe of what Vazquez has done this year. I never would have guessed nor would I ever say that I saw this coming. good for him.

I saw Marco in Portland at a time when he was their best player. He was their everyday ss at the time. I' have been on his band wagon since then. If he is healthy, he makes a solid second baseman for this team.

Oh I'll admit that I drank the kool-aid with respect to Irving. Young guy, one of the most talented players in the game, looking for a team to lead. What was not too like? I'm not smart enough to figure out what the future holds for guys like him. I think that it is a far fetched case of hind sight now to suggest that anyone saw this one coming.

That's nice Moon. Maybe Danny should give you a call for a consult before the C's move forward. lol

I'm not sure that it was as clear as you think it might have been. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. that's the way it goes.

Sometimes you just don't know what you are getting until you have a chance to live with the goods I think.

Oh you rascally rabbit. It is about a couple of things for me I think. Not resigning Kimbrel obviously hurt us. Hoping that a thousand guys who have never come close to doing what he has done would get it done, was a pipe dream. Adding to that is the overall underperformance of one of my very favorite players Chris Sale. When you truly have that guy who everybody expects to be the man every time he gets the ball, and for whatever reason, he struggles i think that the mental impact on your team can be huge. I also think that not having Eovaldi has had quite an impact on the process as well. These guys are not robots - we know that. The mental emotional side plays quite a role regardless of what anyone thinks - it is true. On a positive note though, we have had some guys playing very well. We just seem to be a little lackluster right now. It also is human nature I guess for the typical fan to run around searching for reasons why what looked like guaranteed success just doesn't happen. Sometimes stuff just happens.

I'll simply say that that might be why he will have a new team to help screw up. No I don't believe that it is a new policy but hey you decide for yourself.

I love Al Horford. the but is that you ain't winning titles with Al headlining. I don't know whether or not the Celtics have future titles coming their way or not but what I will say is that I like very much that Danny has an obvious no ass-hole rule moving forward. Nothing is worth coddling a pompous butt for brains regardless of whether or not you can win. If this team loses with good hard working players, I'm fine with it. good bye Kyrie and see you later with good wishes to Rozier.