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and I think that his value might even be underestimated - I absolutely loved what he said about analytics in his latest interview. He believes in them and thinks that there is great value in using them but they are not the end all - as he said there is no way to quantify what it takes to get the last 3 outs in the 9th inning. If he continues pitching at the level he has and currently is, who is to say that he isn't as valuable to a team as any other player could be? It might be just a matter of how you look at things in general I guess. He might be worth a lot for us to sign him.

you are right - it's killing me but I'm done with it.

i just don't get it!

I need to see that slide again - look like a real slide unlike the one Austin made last night.

Just to clarify - Are you just funning me or do really believe what you are saying here about JBJ and how he would have played in 1975? Not to be contrary but I really hope you don't mean this.

which means what exactly that Austin's leg had to move farther away form second base to get to him? rules can be confusing.

Hey I'll take that from him but not from you. You live in that alternative Maine. lol or maybe you are right. We all might be a little strange. Next time you are coming through our great state, give me a call. Hang around stay over a few nights and days. be a good experience for you.

We like it that way -

same page - you me most of the time I think

Really - ok I guess - didn't know you were into that - good to know

Literate you are!

your honest - I'm not sure everybody here would say what you said. I hope that your ll coach taught you how to slide into a base. lol

harmony - I'm kidding with you!. If I knew you I think based on your writing I would like you. Don't take anything I ever say personally. this has been wonderful for me because it has been a debate over something I really think I know something about. I tolerate all of the talk about statistics and analytics and I do try to comment on a few things but for me this is what it is all about. Real baseball and incredible nuances. I love this - passion - you cannot imagine how it affects me to not be actively involved in something that meant so much to me for so long. I'm retired now and for me I'm not sure I like it.

Spud - It is possible I guess that he is an intelligent person who really knows nothing about how the game is actually played. Probably I will told soon about how he played college ball or maybe even in the minors. I won't be impressed. lol

Actually that is an intelligent comment. But if that type of slide occurs in any baseball game in ml baseball there will be some sort of retaliation. Even the mariners would have done something. Even if it was just to make faces at the opponent. that way no one gets hurt.

You have stomped on my personal sense of self worth. I will never be the same. I hope that you can live with that.

correcto!

Please - explain to me how they are supposed to do that. Spikes up is never ok. Please just explain how you think runners are now supposed to be able to break up a double play and still play within the current rules of the game.

A takeout slide is or was a lot different then going in to any base spikes up. If the rule allows for a baserunner to go across the bag spikes up no matter where he is or where the second baseman is located it is a s***** rule. It does happen for sure but it isn't supposed to. I will say though that a real takeout slide as in body to body contact can cripple a player just as easily. I'm not familiar with anyone anywhere who teaches sliding which all coaches do who teaches spikes up at any player. Those spikes that were showing when he slid are supposed to hit the goddamned bag. Maybe the base is to big a target for that moron if he thinks that his slide wasn't dirty. As much as people on both sides want to whine about what happened last night there has to be some sort of retaliation for that s***. Now if he is trying a hook slide , which he wasn't, different story. A hook slide would have had that lead leg a lot closer to the mound and a lot farther away from Holt. Anyone who thinks that slide was ok is a moron. I'm on a rant but it does piss me off. Now MVP - you know that I'm not talking about you because you get it.

Who is doing that? Is there anyone here at all who doesn't understand that right now JBJ is the best we got in centerfield? A lengthy heartfelt post for sure but almost everybody understands this. It is a classic moot point right now. I also don't think that there a real Red Sox fan (emphasis on the word real) who isn't really pulling for JBJ everytime he has a bat in his hands. Also, not to be contrary but I would have to say that Fred Lynn is the best cf that I have seen in a sox uniform. Certainly no question when it comes to hitting. You don't win an MVP and a Rookie of the Year award without being pretty damn good.

Once again as does happen from time to time, in an effort to keep everyone safe, a rule was created that might tend to cause even more harm. If a runner wants to break up a double play, what is he supposed to do. This rule if not enforced may even encourage more runners to go into bases this way. On the other hand, if middle infielders feel protected from take out slides will they continue to be taught how to get the hell out of the way when a guy is bearing down on them. I'm not in favor of doing anything that intentionally hurts anyone but you can't have a rule for everything I'm afraid.

Now I know we have run across each other. there can't be that many of us in Maine.

I'm sensitive harmony don't go trying to make me feel bad. lol I know that you have been posting here for a while so I'm pretty sure that you know that I don't even register on the scale of personal attacks compared to many whom I will not name but certainly can. I've been the victim once or twice myself. I'm ok with you but I am still waiting for a real baseball person to tell me why my thinking about what the correct way to slide into any base is. Maybe I was wasting my time in the gym during pre-season teaching kids the various ways to slide into any base. Maybe it was just wrong info that I was giving out.

Don't you live up in the Bangor area? No way he finds you up there if you don't want to be found. lol

Ok - the game has changed I get that - but that was a bent legged f***ing slide into second base and that type of slide is never intended to go over the bag.