Bellhorn04
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Well, you're right. But the whole argument is kind of dumb IMHO. Owners are different too, because they're actually human beings too. Henry is BY FAR the best owner the Sox have ever had, and probably the best in baseball. Because he's not only wealthy but smart.
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Why, do you think his numbers were hurt by the shift? Seems to me he did fine.
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Only if there are other good numbers to go with them. C'mon, man, this is 2022, isn't it? We judge Hunter Renfroe on his whole game, not his dingers and ribbies...
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Of course they wouldn't be as good. But as we've said many times, the differences between players aren't that large. And it would be weaker against weaker.
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You don't know that. What made players think swinging for more home runs and striking out a lot more was the way to go all of a sudden?
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Yes, I get the point, but if we really want to go down the rabbit hole, the 1200 best players would be replaced by the next 1200 best players, so the difference might not be that noticeable after a while.
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*Conventional wisdom* has been that players have tried to combat the shift mainly with launch angle, leading to more homers and more K's.
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But it's fans who notice the differences in players too.
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Disagree. There are good owners and bad ones. The Red Sox have a good one, and I think we've enjoyed significant benefits from it.
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Hey, I'm cynical too, but I try to base my opinions on actual evidence...
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I don't know, what's the latest on sports team owners being tax cheats?
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Now they're all tax cheats too? Hey, let's just dismantle pro sports completely. Then there will be no more rich sports team owners. Problem solved. Get rid of big time college sports while we're at it. That's all driven by money and corruption too.
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So that's an annual 6% ROR for LAD and 6.5% for SDP. Not really a monster growth rate for those franchises over 10 years.
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Fans can never win though, because if they do that they're depriving themselves of a pleasure they once had.
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Agreed.
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Yes. The thing is, though, almost all of the money is dependent on the popularity of the game. It's a constant theme in here that young people are not that into baseball etc. Games are too long and too boring etc. I know that legal gambling is a big source of revenue now. But my sense of logic says that at some point the bubble has to burst a little. The money comes from us.
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Yes, 11M at 12% for 16 years = 67M. Compounding is an amazing thing. Here's the table: 1 11.00 12.32 2 12.32 13.80 3 13.80 15.45 4 15.45 17.31 5 17.31 19.39 6 19.39 21.71 7 21.71 24.32 8 24.32 27.24 9 27.24 30.50 10 30.50 34.16 11 34.16 38.26 12 38.26 42.86 13 42.86 48.00 14 48.00 53.76 15 53.76 60.21 16 60.21 67.43
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It's conceivable that baseball becomes less popular and less lucrative at some point, regardless of what the owners do. It kind of baffles me that the money can keep growing the way it has, when we hear so much about young people losing interest in baseball etc.
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Then the future of the game must still be in great shape...
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And yet, how can we say the game is in big trouble on one hand, and say there's no risk in owning a team on the other? There is definitely risk. We just haven't seen anyone get burned by it yet.
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I think the players did a s***** job in the last 2 CBA's and now they're trying to make up for it. Where were all the concerns about minimum salaries and tax threshold increases then? Now they're looking for big increases. s***** negotiating is s***** negotiating.
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I don't think I have much sympathy for the players any more either. Is a minimum salary of $700 K + really so bad? The bottom line is, if you're a really good player, you're going to make a ton of money.
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Yep. And the supposed counterargument was that they tried that in 1994 and it backfired. I'm not going to pick sides any more. They're all f***ing up royally. The whole process needs to change, because they've proven they can't be counted on to negotiate with a sense of urgency.
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They're idiots. It never occurred to them that maybe they should keep 2022 intact after 2020 was ruined by COVID, there's a war going on et cetera. They're in their own selfish little world. They're not in the real world.
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It's time to call it what it is. The people responsible for this are a bunch of bumbling buffoons who will ruin the whole season, and the government probably needs to step in and appoint an arbitrator (as if they don't already have enough to deal with).
