Bellhorn04
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The jury is out on DD's hand-me-downs, agreed. But we know one thing - those 4 you listed for Ben add up to zero WAR or less.
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Yep, I realize all that. I was merely addressing the "bloated contracts of aging stars" hyperbole, which came right on top of moon's claim of 2019 being a bad team. Obviously there are sound reasons for criticizing DD. But there's no need to distort things, either.
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It's true, he hasn't done much yet. Maybe he will, but it's no given.
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That's wild hyperbole about the contracts. Ben left worse contracts.
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There's no way you can call the 2019 team a bad team. It was the same team as the 2018 champs. It was one of the pre-season favorites. It had a Pythagorean record of 87-75.
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The bottom line is that Cash wears it. To me Cash is a guy who makes a lot of really good moves. But he also does some weird things. Not doing anything at this year's deadline was weird. Kind of like he gave up on this year.
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You know there's more to it than that. That's why you know we can contend again next year. DD didn't leave with many indisputably bad contracts on the books. I think Ben actually left with more bad contracts on the books than DD did.
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Not just GM's. Francona. A number of players. It's often been mentioned how the Red Sox have a tendency to smear people on the way out.
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Yeah, we'll never know. Now when they traded Lester to the A's, they could safely assume they would get another shot at him...
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Yeah, that idea was no good.
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Not Epstein, no, but many others.
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I don't think that's the point. The point is where did he leave the team for the next guy. It was bad, but far from destroyed.
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They fooled ya! I thought it was a possibility the minute we traded him. Friedman doesn't seem like the kind of guy to make a big splashy expensive trade for one season of a player. I suspected they would take a shot at keeping him.
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As far as DD being "overrated"...it seems to me he left Boston, like many before him, with his reputation in pretty bad shape. Not only a destroyer of farms but a terrible communicator...
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Well, now you're arguing with yourself, because you were just saying we should be competitive or contenders next year.
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And I don't think DD "destroyed the future". If all goes well, the only destroyed season will be 2020.
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And Pedroia's extension was a fraction (about 30%-110 vs. 365) of Mookie's.
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Maybe. I'm guessing he was very willing to entertain offers, but wasn't just looking to unload them.
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Of course you're trying to argue, Denny. You repeatedly point to the team's record this year and talk about how "Bloom supporters" will back him no matter what. It's fine to argue, we all do it here.
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I think the advent of the 12-13 year contract is a bad thing for everyone. It virtually guarantees that even the greatest of players, like Trout and Betts, will one day represent painful financial burdens to their teams.
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What's a little silly is how political this stuff can get. dgalehouse launches an attack against the 'Bloom supporters'. moon hits right back against the 'DD supporters'. Come on folks, does everything have to work that way - you're either in one camp or the other? It strikes me as a little weird.
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We all see some things differently.
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The Yankees offense had some crazy over-performance last year from guys who replaced the injured regulars. This year a huge correction has taken place.
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Ah yes, "the Bloom supporters". The brainwashed nerds waving the pompoms for Chaim no matter what he does and no matter how the team sucks. Personally, I supported DD when he was here, and I'm supporting Bloom now. I generally believe you should support the current guy because you don't have much choice in the matter.
