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And Buttrey is struggling right now.
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Yeah, it's my understanding that was Port's. Maybe we should have kept him around as an advisor or something.
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9/08 SOX @ Phillies
Bellhorn04 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Not that I know of. Roenicke is starting to have a little fun now. -
Theo, Ben and DD brought us 4 titles. And yet the best homegrown starting pitcher they've given us so far is Buchholz. That's pretty weird and amazing.
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9/08 SOX @ Phillies
Bellhorn04 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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He certainly wasn't a genius, no. He paid heavily for Sale, Price and Kimbrel. His approach got us a championship followed by a c***f. Another GM might have made completely different moves to get pitching, which might have worked or might not have. The one thing I question, and which is still not really determinable, is how strong that farm was that Ben left, in terms of actual future MLB production.
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Yes. I mean, we could sit Devers for the rest of the season so he doesn't get hurt. Other teams that are out of it could do the same. Wouldn't be good for the game.
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But it wasn't really that good, as it was. (Now I've done it.)
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There's a lot of X factor in the value of what DD left - especially with Sale, of course.
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I think Dombrowski had a fine season in 2018. Hiring Cora, signing JDM to a reasonable deal, and then the deadline acquisitions of Eovaldi, Pearce and Kinsler.
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I would prefer to give a Benintendi a chance to rebound in 2021. As for Barnes, who knows. He might be cooked. Or maybe he needs to be moved to a lower leverage spot next year. We're desperately short on bullpen arms, needless to say. You're probably not going to get very good value in return if you trade them this offseason.
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To work on his game, maybe? He's pitched so little the last two seasons.
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The results are important, of course. It's just that every baseball GM walks into a different situation.
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Maybe this should be in the why was Mookie traded thread.
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Another question is whether we include Pedroia in the list of bloated contracts handed by Ben to DD. It wasn't at the time, but it certainly became one.
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There will always be debatable points. But I've already made my guess, which is that it wasn't the present payroll situation that compelled them to trade Mookie, it was the $400 million it would have taken to retain him.
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The hindsight jury measures these things on 'subsequent events'. You can already measure the loss on Price. 2020 0 2021 16 mill 2022 16 mill Total 32 mill Sale's & Eovaldi's are adjusted down for 2020. The rest we'll have to wait for.
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Rightly or wrongly, Logan Allen has become sort of the poster boy for DD's giving up too much in trades.
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The jury is out on DD's hand-me-downs, agreed. But we know one thing - those 4 you listed for Ben add up to zero WAR or less.
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Yep, I realize all that. I was merely addressing the "bloated contracts of aging stars" hyperbole, which came right on top of moon's claim of 2019 being a bad team. Obviously there are sound reasons for criticizing DD. But there's no need to distort things, either.
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It's true, he hasn't done much yet. Maybe he will, but it's no given.
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That's wild hyperbole about the contracts. Ben left worse contracts.
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There's no way you can call the 2019 team a bad team. It was the same team as the 2018 champs. It was one of the pre-season favorites. It had a Pythagorean record of 87-75.
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The bottom line is that Cash wears it. To me Cash is a guy who makes a lot of really good moves. But he also does some weird things. Not doing anything at this year's deadline was weird. Kind of like he gave up on this year.
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You know there's more to it than that. That's why you know we can contend again next year. DD didn't leave with many indisputably bad contracts on the books. I think Ben actually left with more bad contracts on the books than DD did.
