Bellhorn04

Yes and no. Dead money for 2021: Price 16 (also 2022) Pedroia 13.75 (final year) Worrisome money for 2021: Sale 25.6 JDM 22 Eovaldi 17

My numbers are very close to yours. I was born in January, 1956, became a serious Red Sox fan in 1969 when I was 13 and started listening to the games on the radio.

I have his book "Have Glove, Will Travel".

??? Go back and check what makes up your $114 M number again.

They have as much will or more than any other team. I'll settle for that.

They don't have unlimited spending capacity, that's the thing.

Spaceman knows his Canadian Maritime provinces. After being tossed from MLB he played some semi-pro ball for the Moncton (New Brunswick) Mets.

Have to give Cole a lot of credit for not giving up any more blood after Choi's homer. He showed some real backbone there.

Yes, Jax really takes the dehumanizing thing to the next level.

Yes. On the line that says 114 Guaranteed Total, the numbers above it actually total 129.7, so that total is missing Perez, Beni and Vaz. You also have to chuck in about 8 million for the pre-arb guys. I'll start a thread dedicated to the 2021 payroll numbers tonight if I have time.

But ticket sales are also important to the business of running a team.

No such assumption on my part, sir. I said "35-40 million before hitting the first threshold".

If the plan was to only have him for one year, that would be great! But also a bit strange.

And Cole's career record vs. the Rays is not much better than Snell's vs. the Yanks. Kind of a one-sided analysis by Jax.

"testicles in a cold Nova Scotia spring"

The bottom line is, Bloom has $35-40 million to play with before hitting the first threshold.

Maybe 'guesses' would be more accurate.

Boston Red Sox payroll 2021: Chaim Bloom will enter MLB free agency a projected $36M below $210M base threshold By Christopher Smith | csmith@masslive.com How much payroll the Red Sox will add this offseason in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic remains unclear. All organizations experienced significant revenue losses in 2020 because of no gate receipts and TV money being down during the shortened 60-game schedule. Team president Sam Kennedy is uncertain whether COVID-19 also will limit attendance at Fenway Park in 2021. “Will it (COVID-19) have an impact on our budget? Yes, of course it will because of the devastating impact it has had on our revenues this year,” Kennedy said last Tuesday. “Obviously, next year is uncertain. That said, I don’t know what the outlook for 2021 is yet with respect to the virus. As that becomes clear, we’ll be able to act in real time and make decisions.” The Red Sox reset their luxury tax penalties by slashing the 2020 payroll below the Competitive Balance Tax threshold. As of right now, the 2021 payroll is approximately $36 million below the $210 million Competitive Balance Tax base threshold. MassLive.com estimated it at $173.675 million — give or take a few million dollars — entering this offseason before any free agent signings and trades. It’s likely the Red Sox will be active in free agency and the trade market despite the uncertainty heading into next year. Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said he doesn’t anticipate a vaccine will be “generally available to the American public” until “late second quarter, third quarter of 2021.” Going by that timetable, Fenway Park might not be filled to full capacity until July 2021 or later. “There’s a long-term view,” Kennedy said. “We know we’re going to withstand operating losses and we’re prepared for that, planning for that. I think you’ll see the Red Sox continue to invest in our baseball operation the way we have for the last 20 years.” Red Sox 2021 estimated payroll breakdown: approximately $173.675 million Guaranteed contracts: David Price (Red Sox pay $16 million of his $31 million AAV), Chris Sale ($25.60 million), J.D. Martinez ($19.375 million), Xander Bogaerts ($20 million), Nathan Eovaldi ($16.88 million); Dustin Pedroia ($13.3 million), Christian Vazquez ($4.52 million), *Martin Perez ($6.5 million). Total: $122.175 * Perez has a $6.25 million team option and $500,000 buyout for 2021. Arbitration contracts: Eduardo Rodriguez ($10 million estimated), Andrew Benintendi ($5 million), Matt Barnes ($4 million estimated), Kevin Plawecki ($1.5 million estimated), Rafael Devers ($6 million estimated, Austin Brice ($1 million estimated), Ryan Brasier ($1 million estimated). Total: $28.5 million estimated Arbitration eligible but likely to be non-tendered: Jose Peraza, Zack Godley, Andrew Triggs, Dylan Covey. Pre-arbitration players: Yoan Aybar, Colten Brewer, Matt Hall, Kyle Hart, Darwinzon Hernandez, Tanner Houck, Mike Kickham, Robinson Leyer, Chris Mazza, Yairo Muñoz, Nick Pivetta, Jeffrey Springs, Robert Stock, Domingo Tapia, Josh Taylor, Phillips Valdez, Marcus Walden, Ryan Weber, Deivy Grullón, Jonathan Arauz, Christian Arroyo, C.J. Chatham, Michael Chavis, Bobby Dalbec, Tzu-Wei Lin, César Puello, Alex Verdugo, Marcus Wilson. Approximate Total: $8 million. Other costs: Add another approximately $15 million for medical costs, health benefits, spring training allowances, moving and traveling expenses, etc. That’s all included in the CBT. Approximate Total: $15 million.

Boston Red Sox payroll 2021: Chaim Bloom will enter MLB free agency a projected $36M below $210M base threshold By Christopher Smith | csmith@masslive.com How much payroll the Red Sox will add this offseason in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic remains unclear. All organizations experienced significant revenue losses in 2020 because of no gate receipts and TV money being down during the shortened 60-game schedule. Team president Sam Kennedy is uncertain whether COVID-19 also will limit attendance at Fenway Park in 2021. “Will it (COVID-19) have an impact on our budget? Yes, of course it will because of the devastating impact it has had on our revenues this year,” Kennedy said last Tuesday. “Obviously, next year is uncertain. That said, I don’t know what the outlook for 2021 is yet with respect to the virus. As that becomes clear, we’ll be able to act in real time and make decisions.” The Red Sox reset their luxury tax penalties by slashing the 2020 payroll below the Competitive Balance Tax threshold. As of right now, the 2021 payroll is approximately $36 million below the $210 million Competitive Balance Tax base threshold. MassLive.com estimated it at $173.675 million — give or take a few million dollars — entering this offseason before any free agent signings and trades. It’s likely the Red Sox will be active in free agency and the trade market despite the uncertainty heading into next year. Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said he doesn’t anticipate a vaccine will be “generally available to the American public” until “late second quarter, third quarter of 2021.” Going by that timetable, Fenway Park might not be filled to full capacity until July 2021 or later. “There’s a long-term view,” Kennedy said. “We know we’re going to withstand operating losses and we’re prepared for that, planning for that. I think you’ll see the Red Sox continue to invest in our baseball operation the way we have for the last 20 years.” Red Sox 2021 estimated payroll breakdown: approximately $173.675 million Guaranteed contracts: David Price (Red Sox pay $16 million of his $31 million AAV), Chris Sale ($25.60 million), J.D. Martinez ($19.375 million), Xander Bogaerts ($20 million), Nathan Eovaldi ($16.88 million); Dustin Pedroia ($13.3 million), Christian Vazquez ($4.52 million), *Martin Perez ($6.5 million). Total: $122.175 * Perez has a $6.25 million team option and $500,000 buyout for 2021. Arbitration contracts: Eduardo Rodriguez ($10 million estimated), Andrew Benintendi ($5 million), Matt Barnes ($4 million estimated), Kevin Plawecki ($1.5 million estimated), Rafael Devers ($6 million estimated, Austin Brice ($1 million estimated), Ryan Brasier ($1 million estimated). Total: $28.5 million estimated Arbitration eligible but likely to be non-tendered: Jose Peraza, Zack Godley, Andrew Triggs, Dylan Covey. Pre-arbitration players: Yoan Aybar, Colten Brewer, Matt Hall, Kyle Hart, Darwinzon Hernandez, Tanner Houck, Mike Kickham, Robinson Leyer, Chris Mazza, Yairo Muñoz, Nick Pivetta, Jeffrey Springs, Robert Stock, Domingo Tapia, Josh Taylor, Phillips Valdez, Marcus Walden, Ryan Weber, Deivy Grullón, Jonathan Arauz, Christian Arroyo, C.J. Chatham, Michael Chavis, Bobby Dalbec, Tzu-Wei Lin, César Puello, Alex Verdugo, Marcus Wilson. Approximate Total: $8 million. Other costs: Add another approximately $15 million for medical costs, health benefits, spring training allowances, moving and traveling expenses, etc. That’s all included in the CBT. Approximate Total: $15 million.

Not me. It was a deficient season, but these playoffs, with the teams that are left, are legitimate.

moon, we are $68 million under the threshold, but that's BEFORE E-Rod, Perez and all other players not under contract for 2021. I don't think there's quite as much to play with as you're suggesting.

I certainly understand not wanting him back at $11 million. And I think we're all in agreement he shouldn't get that much based on where the market is. But saying you'd rather see ANYONE ELSE out there? That I don't get.

No mas with Duran jokes.

But will you still prefer Duran if he puts up a .625 OPS?

I'd be okay with the Rays, because they'll have done a good thing for the world along the way.