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I don't care about Drew personally. But i do like to defend the facts. The fact is, that he produced above average numbers, on average, throughout the length of his contract. All of these subjective additions and conjecture don't matter to me. If you can't argue against the numbers, then we can just leave this discussion right here.

You're the only one talking about "Sox RFers from the past fifty years". That's not the way you measure a guy's production against his peers, neither is being an All-Star. Also, we are talking about his aggregate statistics as a Red Sox encompassing all five years of his contract, in which he posted an .824 OPS (Average RF having an .OPS around the .770's) making his production decidedly above average, if you summarize the length of the contract. TLR's comments are not gospel, and they are not pertinent to the discussion. Stats, on the other hand, are pertinent. Attitude does not matter, not wanting to play hurt does not matter, production matters. If you want to prove your point, then prove statistically how a 114 OPS+ (Meaning he was 14% better than your average player) and nearly 50 point advantage in OPS over the average RF from 2007-2011 prove he was anything but an above average player. Not elite, not great, but above average.

I think you've got it wrong. You're blatantly ignoring any and all statistical data brought up and smearing the discussion with "what you think" and "what others before him did". If you can't take an objective look at the stats and counter what they say (Note: Unlike opinion, statistics are objective and factual) there is no use discussing the matter further. As Dojji said, it's easier to continue with flawed rationale than to look at things objectively apparently.

No amount of subjective opinion can eliminate what is statistically true, and the whole point of discussion: While healthy, JD Drew was an above average baseball player for the Red Sox, both offensively and defensively. No need to take it personal or rationalize, it is what it is. What you "think" he should have accomplished is irrelevant to the discussion and nothing but conjecture.

Hahahaha well done!

The Sox need an OF that can hit RH for that exact same reason.

That goes for Drew, too. He's probably going to retire anyways.

They're better options than Sizemore. At least Reddick is healthy.

I did say in the intro to try to make it realistic. Also, i don't think he'd make more money as a setup man than as closer. The Soriano signing is the exception that proves the rule, and is unlikely to become a trend.

I was making a point. You said :"You don't trade your CF MVP candidate for a SP" so i provided you with a SP who has higher value than Ellsbury. I also don't understand how a guy with chronic knee problems and who has barely played the last couple of years, and can't hit lefties to boot is the solution to RF. Doesn't make sense. Reddick outproduced what Sizemore has done over the last three years. Also, the sox need a RH OF. Kuroda won't leave LA. The Red Sox have around 24 million to play with in the offseason, so overpaying for Buehrle (who has expressed his interest in staying in Chicago anyway) doesn't seem like a viable possibility. Wood said "Cubs or bust" before the offseason started. Broxton could be a huge addition.

I don't think Crawford's arm would play in RF, so maybe Crawford to CF and Kalish to RF? The Crawford signing puzzles me now more than ever.

If Seattle offers Felix i fly Ellsbury to Seattle myself. Out of my own pocket.

Fielder to the Cubs. You heard it here first.

Some of these ideas don't seem very realistic though (Not to say they're dumb or anything, just to add some perspective): 1) Buehrle is likely not leaving Chicago. 2) Sizemore is frail and doesn't really bring anything to the table that Reddick or Kalish can't provide. 3)Bell is going to sign as a closer, so is Madson. 4) The Sox don't have enough money to pull off all of those moves.

Yeah, Francoeur is probably a pipe dream. Carlos Quentin maybe?

Drew's average season in Boston consisted of a .264/.370/.455 (.824 OPS, 114 OPS+) comfortably above the average RF production of .267/.327/.457 (.784 OPS). He wasn't "elite", but he was comfortably above average in his "mean average value". Also, you are presenting an interesting strawman here, since i can't find anyone mentioning Drew as one of the "Elite RF's" in Red Sox history. That was never the point. The point that the people defending Drew are presenting, and correctly so, is that statistically speaking, Drew was an above average ballplayer offensively and defensively when he was on the field during his tenure here. The "When" being the biggest issue. There is also some hyperbole from that side of the fence when presenting Drew's value. The answer is in between the opinions presented here. He wasn't average, he was above average, but he wasn't "elite" in terms of MLB during his years in Boston (2007-2011). He was, again, above average. Can we all agree here, objectively, from what the statistics actually show?

This is really annoying. Please stop.