you've converted me, I agree with everything you said, and plus you can add that Ellsbury will not come close to next year's numbers, scutaro also will probaly not either. I also don't think Gonzales will hit for as high average as he did last year, and Ortiz will have significant drop off in production. Youkilis will be lucky to stay healthy for 300 abs the way his last 2 years have gone, and the worse part of this is there nobody close in the minors ready to contribute. The closer I look at, it will be probaly be a couple of years until we become competitive, well at least until Lackey and Beckett come off the books, and by that time Ellsbury will be gone via free agency(no way he signs back with Boston). So if we can deal with a couple of dismal years and start rebuilding 2015, we should be competitive by 2017. I would be shocked if we won 81 games this year, the rotation is horrofic, the pen is in shambles, and the offense is on the decline.