Elktonnick

My point is after what we've gone through with the long list of players like him since Renteria why take the chance. The risk reward just isn't worth it.

I know Greeinke had anxiety issues. This from a July article by Jeff Sullivan in Baseball nation: We knew of Greinke as a talented prospect and pitcher, but our first exposure to him as a person came early in 2006, when he walked away from the Royals and nearly quit baseball on account of social-anxiety disorder. It was around that time that Greinke also conducted one hell of a strange interview that sadly seems to have been pulled from the web. There was crying about Jennifer Aniston and sharing home and garden magazines and everything. In the long history of athlete interviews, that's one that's always stuck with me. It was clear that Greinke was different, but starting around then, he developed the reputation of being weird. Which was fine, because he did seem weird, relative to other players. But the thing about weird people is that they're tough to figure out, tough to put into boxes. That's what makes them weird. People have understood Greinke to be weirder than most, but they've taken that to make assumptions that they don't know enough to make." Do you really think this is a guy can make it in Boston.

As you know I have thought that JH was moving in that direction a year ago. Steve Buckley wondered the same this morning. There are several ownership groups who failed to win the Dodgers franchise and Henry et al could see a 1.5 billion price for the Red Sox as possible. Didn't the Cleveland Browns owner just sell to put more money into his Premier league club. From a business perspective the growth potential is greatly for Liverpool and Premier League football than the Boston Red Sox.

Two FA's I hope we don't see in Boston are Hamilton and Greinke. The FO has to learn from the Gonzales and Crawford mistakes. Hamilton has personal issues which would be magnified here. Buckley, McAdam and Shaughnessy all concurred that Hamilton would be a bad idea. Greinke has had anxiety issues. I don't think he has either the temperment or emotional stability to withstand the Boston scene.

It isn't age its competence and authority. Ben doesn't have the authority, and quite frankly he doesn'tt have the competence to work this kind of deal. He isn't the type to think this big.

This deal didn't just happen. This almost went done at the trade deadline but they couldn't work it out in time. The reason this is a Stan/Larry deal and not a Ned/Ben deal is the money. This a 250 million dollar assumption of liability by the Dodgers. Stan had to convince his partners to assume this amount of money. The waiver deal was part of it of course but the broad outline of the deal were worked out over the last several weeks. Lucchino gave a bit of a hint that something big was possible when he told Ben to be "bold". Oh for those you were say Larry is a lawyer and not a baseball guy, a deal involving this amount of money is a lawyer's deal not a baseball deal,

That just shows your ignorance. He has far better sources in the Boston sport scene than anyone who posts here.

Dan Shaughnessy just said on the Baseball Show on CSNE that the brains behind this deal was Stan Kastan Larry Lucchino's counterpart with the Dodgers.

Larry and Stan have been Presidents of Baseball teams for many years. Both have ownerships stakes in their respective teams. If you think either Larry or Stan would entrust deals of this magnitude to employees like Ben and Ned then there is a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale you may be intersting in purchasing. Hey but you can believe what you want if it makes you feel good.

Gordon Edes at 4:04 am wrote the following: "Yet all the while, Lucchino was going back and forth with his Dodgers counterpart, Stan Kasten, while GM Ben Cherington was working the phones with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti. The Red Sox were motivated by a recognition of the changes they needed to effect in a ballclub headed for its third straight season of missing the playoffs, and one that had alienated the affections of its fan base." Never talk to the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.

Hate to bust your bubble folks but this is a Larry/ Stan deal not a Ben/Ned deal. This is way over Benny's head. Ben is just working out the details with Ned.

I thought more or less the same since last October. I have never seen an organization that so prizes its public image so inept at public relations.

That was the worst half inning of baseball this year. It is typical of all that is wrong.

I never understood why he wasn't with the big club since April. He is fun to watch

They can start by firing everyone who doesn't wear a uniform before they begin firing anyone with a uniform.

We all should have expected this considering neither Lucchino Cherrington nor Fulana deTal did anything to address the fundamental problem arising from last September.

He reminds me of Brady Anderson who was traded to th Os by the Sox many years ago. He had that one monster season (probably due to PEDS). I am not sugggesting that Ellsbury juiced but there are many examples of the player who has one great year and never does that again.

What is happening to Ellsbury. He is pissing away his big multi year contract at this rate.

I sent you a PM.

There is much debate as to whom should go and whom should stay. If you were suddnely the new owner who would you axe immediately? Lucchino- Cherrington- Valentine- Bogar- Niemann- Tuck- All the other coaches- Bill James- Carmine- All of the above-

That is so true. A-Gon stats with RISP to me are misleading. When the game is only the line or in a clutch he chokes.

Even if Ben were to wrest power from Larry,he wouldn't know what to do with it.

If they win 15 games they will be lucky.

BV as well as every competent baseball guy was opposed to Bard becoming a starter. It was Cherrington and Bard himself who wanted to make the move. (I'd fire Cherrington for that call alone)

After reading Abraham"s column I've come to the following two conclusions. The first is that Cherrington is a total fool for sticking any incoming manager with hold over coaches and coaches he didn't hire. The second is that McClure is totally incompetent as a pitching coach. According to the article BV wanted Bard to pitch from the stretch McClure didn't. He apparently resisted BV's efforts in that regard as well as other matters. (Never mind that Hirshiser made the same sugggestion regarding Bard) McClure was clearly insubbordinate as well as incompetent.