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Actually I don't think the pay is the issue. As it is today, Pedey is required to put in the therapy and the work in an effort to get back to playing at a MLB level hobbled by an injury and subsequent surgery that nobody has ever played MLB with before. If Pedey is insistent on continuing his career as a player then the Sox MUST honor his contract as a player and oh by the way Pedey MUST honor the same contract. In the meantime, we know he is not coming back. If he could come back it would have happened by now. Pedey himself admitted that if he could not come back from the long initial therapy and rehab stint then IT WAS OVER. Well that did not work out. Yet its not over???? We are now onto version 3 of therapy and rehab stints past when Pedey said it would be over. Who is kidding who? This is a charade that satisfies nobody and nothing. Pedey comes back. He exerts the kind of stress that only play at the highest level exerts. Pedey goes down again. At the same time, we have a guy playing 2nd here that has no earthly idea what he is doing playing 2nd base and even if and when Holt comes back, the best the Sox get is Holt sharing time with Chavis at 2nd and Chavis sharing time with Moreland at 1st or Chavis continues on the path he is on for this year which is frankly not encouraging at the plate. The leagues pitchers are figuring him out and he is simply not READY to face MLB pitching day in and day out. They don't give out runs based on how far the ball went over the fence, just whether it went over or not. So maybe Pearce gets right and we really only want Chavis sharing time with Holt at 2nd. Clearly Pedey has been schooling Devers when Pedey is here and clearly Chavis is just guessing at 2nd base. Its a joke. Gurriel at 2nd is also a joke by the way. But at least Gurriel is a full grown man, real live MLB player. I don't know if I want Chavis sharing time with Moreland. But it appears the Sox want to keep playing Chavis at 2nd regardless of the fact that he is lost out there and Holt is too fragile and Nunez is a horrid 2nd baseman. Does Pedey really want to continue to try to play until it puts him back on an operating table again. Suppose just trotting around as an aging human being becomes a problem for Pedey over this silly charade. I like the idea of the 60 day DL stint that "Bob" posted about. But Pedey's contract runs out through the 2021 season. Do we really want to see Pedey and the team tied to this charade for two more years because of the money? Screw the money. Frankly I don't care if they pay him every dime. However it might make more sense to have Pedey retire as a player and sign him to a contract as a consultant or coach that binds him to a set of tasks that are part of that contract as opposed to keeping him and the team tied to this particular whipping post while not getting the actual value out of Pedey that they can extract. Whatever makes sense to both parties money-wise is what they should do money-wise all the way up to paying Pedey every dime. But set him to a different set of tasks and obligations than the tasks and obligations of a PLAYER contract because the Sox do have a need for Pedey but not as a crippled player and Pedey does have value since there appears NOBODY in this organization that actually knows how to play 2nd base other than Holt or possibly Betts and the Sox are trying to extract as much PR out of the "young Atlas" Chavis fantasy as they can. They are also trying to extract as much value out of GG/MVP Betts as they can which clearly should mean Betts stays in RF. I am not sure anybody has helped Devers as much as Pedey and X have up here and I am not at all convinced that anybody in this organization can devote the time to Chavis at 2nd than Pedey IF he is going to stay up here. Just untie Pedey from this whipping post which eventually it will become for Pedey if its not already. Of course, if the Sox COULD just pay out for a hitting/fielding competent MLB 2nd baseman I assume they would just as they would likely prefer a competent CFer that can hit his weight for more than a few weeks a season. Neither appears likely at this point.

Valdez should be sent down immediately. Not even allowed to shower. Disrobed and sent down. First for walking JBJ and then allowing him to 2nd.....wait....3rd! As many strange series as these two teams have played against each other, this one takes the cake.

He got out of it. Thats about all you can say.

The ump giveth and the ump taketh away.

So Pedey can't retire as a player and be signed on as a consultant? Good luck going to Court with that one. If he retires the Sox still retain his contract as a player and can only bring him back as a player under those terms. Its not the NFL so they can't just have him come back AS A PLAYER at a lower salary. That the Sox cannot do. However if Pedey retires as a player and is hired as a consultant the PA has nothing to whine about AT ALL, though they might because whining is their reason to exist. Suppose Pedey retired as a player and they signed him formally as a coach. Are you saying the Sox would have to pay him as they were paying him as a player? Good luck with that one too. Players are players. Coaches are coaches. Consultants are consultants. As long as the Sox did not bring him back as a PLAYER at some later date and tried to do it at some different salary than his PLAYER's contract called for the PA simply would not have a leg to stand on. Even retiring as a player would not relieve the Sox of their obligation to pay him as a player IF HE CAME BACK AS A PLAYER nor would it relieve Pedey of his obligation to the Sox AS A PLAYER until the full term of that existing player contract is consumed. If Pedey wants to continue to try to continue his career as a player, it simply does not matter what the Sox want to do. But there is absolutely nothing that says that Pedey does not have value as anything BUT a player and that both Pedey and the Franchise cannot try to extract that value as something other than a player. But the Sox as an organization have every right to keep Pedey puddling around in Pawtucket or Lowell or Portsmouth as long as they want to as long as he is pursuing his career as a player and they own his player contract. They NEVER really have to bring him back to play up here if they don't want to do so because nobody has tried to play MLB on that injury after that particular surgical procedure and Pedey has been up and back twice already more than suggesting that whatever he is doing down there is not preparing him to meet the standard that Cora has set for him. You kill me....you really do. You claim that Pedey is done. I agree with you on that score. Then you want to go on and argue that the Sox and Pedey MUST go on to play out this torturous charade to the bitter end regardless of what would be right for Pedey or for the Sox. It might work out that way. But your argument is that IT MUST work out that way which is absurd. Isn't there something of value you could do at the Yankee board?

What a throw....unreal footwork from Vaz. That would be another go directly to traction for a month move for me. Miley's pick off move and Vaz's turn would be ambulatory in my case if I even attempted to simulate either of them.

Pitchers are not even trying to set up a Slider on the outer third any longer. Don't have to. Just pumping FB's past him one after the other. Some pitcher will do that to him though. Baseball is a punishing game. 3:10 at the plate is success. But 0.90 in the field is failure. Just a maddeningly difficult game to play well and almost impossible to play at a consistently high level unless you are a very very special player.

THAT is Verlander's consolation prize!!!!!! Splinter was right. Its just not fair!

Much much happier with Devers up in the order and Moreland....or Pearce.....anywhere else. That said, its a bit of a mystery why Verlander suddenly decided to get cute with his pitch selection.

Are we going to dink and dunk our way to a win here? Stranger things have happened. Houston may just be content taking 4 of 6.

That was a special team and Grogan was young enough that he had not as yet been beaten to a pulp. As i remember it, they could not pay or did not pay to keep the core of that 76 team together. Fairbanks then bailed on them maybe because they did not keep the core team together and that was that. While things get foggy that far back that f***ING Ref call is stuck in a very dark place in my memory banks.

One time during those very, Very, VERY frustrating Patriot seasons I saw Steve Grogan from line of scrimmage opponent 10 yard line with two guys wide open in the end zone, one running a shallow wheel route to the post and the other running to the corner. Could have handed it to either one of them. Could not make up his mind, split the dif and threw it directly to the CornerBack Sitting totally out of position and exactly half way between the two receivers. Its plays like that makes us fans nostalgic for the Pats throw back unis. They didn't win much. But they tried so hard and you had to either laugh or cry. Grogan was one tough dude by the way. He just got crushed out there every Sunday.

He actually has a decent arm. Its not better than decent but decent. I don't think he knew where he wanted to throw that and split the difference. That is still on him but more from between his ears than at the end of his arm.

Hey at least I can switch over to the Indy 500 when the Sox half inning comes up. Might get two laps in before Verlander dispenses with them.

Verlander completely overpowering our RH hitters such as they are. So that means we need some combination of Beni, Devers, JBJ to step up!!!!!

It pains me to point out that JD immediately went to back problems and out of games after playing two straight games in the OF, one in RF and one in LF and tripping over the grass at least once in both instances.

Cora's lineup bites him immediately. X would have made a much better throw. Not at all sure what Vaz was supposed to do with that hot mess from Nunez.

1. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF 2. Mookie Betts ® RF 3. Rafael Devers (L) 3B 4. J.D. Martinez ® DH 5. Michael Chavis ® 2B 6. Christian Vazquez ® C 7. Steve Pearce ® 1B 8. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF 9. Eduardo Nunez ® SS 1. Aledmys Diaz ® 2B 2. Alex Bregman ® 3B 3. Michael Brantley (L) DH 4. Carlos Correa ® SS 5. Yuli Gurriel ® 1B 6. Josh Reddick (L) RF 7. Robinson Chirinos ® C 8. Jake Marisnick ® CF 9. Derek Fisher (L) LF

I think you are jumping to a conclusion jacko. Not unusual for a Yankee fan posting on a Red Sox board. Nobody is saying Pedey should take some giant cut in Salary. They should buy Pedey out of his player contract, pay him the equivalent amount or close to it, only pay it the way a consultant gets paid under terms of a consultancy and relieve everybody including Pedey of continuing to play out this charade. Even if the money is the same the PA will whine because they whine about everything. If nobody has noticed players really don't play for your hometown team any longer. They play for the PA. That is why relationships between "competitors" on the field are now so touchy feely and there is so much "have a good season brother" NONSENSE on the field. Their unis are just the laundry they wear. it gets a bit more competitive in the post season. But that is about it.

i don't think Cora got lucky. He is just stuck. In a bad spot. Lots not going right, some of it his own doing and some not. Before you know it, in the swirl you are confronting every day, you forget you are standing on the edge of a cliff......and..... He didn't get lucky last year. But he is not some magician and he is not above making some really bad strategic decisions. That much is now clear. I think his in game decisions are actually pretty good. The thing is, you can rationalize them, every one of them. You may not agree with them. But you can see how Cora made a particular in game decision. They are not in conflict with his overall strategic vision either. Don't see him playing many hunches and I HATE Managers that spend their entire careers rubbing a magic lamp (playing hunches).

Bell, can't help but notice that your Avatar is about where I have Cora so far this year.

Not TOO concerned about losing Pearce or Nunez. Its the offset that bothers me. Have got myself pretty well convinced that there is no way to logically conclude that Pedey can contribute greater than 0 as a player at this point and maybe ever again unless you consider 1 or 2 games followed by 5 games off as a "contribution" without even considering how effective he can be in the games he does play. This is one place where at least the Sox are trying to push the issue. As for Pedey himself, he is already well past the statement he made before the season that if he could not go straight out of that long first rehab, effectively IT WAS OVER. Notice how often Cora and DD have commented that Pedey MUST prove he can play multiple games in a row. Does anybody believe the Sox are stupid enough to think that is anywhere in the realm of possibility AT ALL? They should be watching Pedey very carefully with an eye to buying out his player contract and keeping him in some consultive capacity in the organization. Maybe they can convince him to stick around to continue to tutor Devers and start Chavis down the road of actually having some earthly idea about playing 2nd if that is where they want Chavis to play. Question is this: Is ALL the money in his current contract worth it to Pedey to remain part of what is looking more and more like a charade with an ugly close if Pedey insists on continuing down this path. Unfortunately, I think it will take a lot to beat this nonsense out of Pedey and the PA won't like it either if Pedey takes a deal like that. At this point I am taking a total fan view of what is best for the team and for Pedey's legacy as a truly great player if not a somewhat flawed human being (aren't we all).

Its time for stubborn Cora to flip s*** around. Move Devers up. Move Moreland down. Try to figure a way to keep Beni from kicking our ass nightly....maybe Holt as he is soon to return. Then flip the bullpen. I am ready to see guys other than the old guard of Hembree, Work, Barnes and even Brasier is not growing on me. Push some of the other guys to higher leverage and see what happens. Could it be worse???

Correa is such a good hitter. Astros are just loaded.

Barnes is dying to choke this up