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1. A "4th OF" that OPS'd better than 2 of the starting 3 OF on the D-Backs last year. How does that make sense? 2. In his entire career, hitters OPS .709 off of Aceves in their 2nd AB. That encompasses almost 200 PA. Even though that's a mediocre sample size for these projections, I still think it's pretty unfair for you to definitively say that he will get ripped in the 2nd time through the lineup when his stats say otherwise. 3. I have no doubt that he is, but as much as I get annoyed about the ridiculous comments that you make, I still enjoy the debate.

I disagree. Players need to be accountable, and that means talking to your new manager. You don't answer my phone calls, or call me back for a couple weeks after I've tried to contact you? Guess what? I'm going to put it out in the media. Players need to respect their manager and be accountable to him. I'm sure Bobby V gave Crawford plenty of time to call back before he told the media about it. It's Carl's own fault. Answer your phone when your manager calls. If your boss called you and left a message saying he wanted to talk to you, would you just ignore him?

I will admit, I do enjoy me some trade rape.

We need a lefty badly. Right now we have Morales, but he's awfully wild. Adding Garza + Marshall would really boost this team. Morales/Jenks in the 7th, Melancon/Marshall for the 8th inning, Bard in the 9th. Rotation of Lester - Garza - Beckett - Buchholz - Aceves. That looks awfully good. Maybe Bobby V will know how to use a situational pitcher!! That'd be exciting!

I don't think Gio is worth all of those prospects myself. But if you tack on 1 or 2 more mid to high level prospects and make it a 5 for 2 trade for Garza, I'm all for that. Garza is a much better pitcher than Gio IMO, and if we're going to unload some prospects, we shouldn't get skimpy. I'd go WMB + Ranaudo + Bogaerts + Lavarnway for Garza + Soriano + $$$ (taking Soriano's contract down to around 3/18).

I agree with User. I wish the appeal of a big market, historic team in the toughest division in baseball would be enough incentive to take a pay cut, but that's not the case. Players go to the Red Sox and Yankees to get paid, because they have two of the biggest payrolls in the game. The appeal is the checkbook. Everything else is just a bonus. These guys have families to take care of, and that comes before winning

From everything I've read, the A's are looking for a future 3rd baseman as the centerpoint of the Gio trade. So no doubt, the trade would revolve around Will Middlebrooks. The A's won't be competing this year, so that gives WMB a year or two to develop his skills a little more and gives the A's a couple extra years of control over him. It would definitely take a haul to bring in Gio. WMB + Ranaudo + Lavarnway + 1 most likely. Gio is very appealing because the Sox would have him under club control for 4 years. I'm not sure his high BB/9 would play well in the patient AL East, though.

Hahahahahaha. Ok. Well we will just go ahead and offer Aviles + DiceK + 1 prospect. Major league talent. Aviles OPS'd .698 last year, but hit over .300 in 2 of the 3 years before that. God the sheer magnitude of ******** that comes out of your mouth is amazing. It really is. Oh - and by the way - Reddick hit .280 with a .784 OPS in the MLB last year. Considering he had a better season than Prado last year, I'd say he's major league talent. Or, I should say, if he was on the Braves, he would be major league talent, but he's on the Red Sox, so he's not. Nah, no bias though. Like I said, it takes about 2 minutes to do some research. Prado had played 2 games at SS prior to last year. But I'm sure two injury-prone players plus 1 prospect is something that the Orioles just marveled at. Sure, Jurrjens would be their best SP. For about 140 IP. I'm sure they would be thrilled with that return. Just because these are players who played in the MLB doesn't mean it's a good deal. It's two players whose injuries have turned them to garbage last season, and they're having to sell low on them. I'm the one who is picking and choosing stats, but you want to defer back to 2009 for Jurrjens and 2010 for Prado, and claim they're paying a lot because of how they performed a couple years ago?? Really setting the bar high there, Jackso. You just continuously make yourself sound dumber and dumber.

I would be shocked if Andruw Jones doesn't get suspended for PED's this season.

I like Mike's Pastries...what's so bad about that? :dunno:

Adam Jones hit .280 with a .785 OPS. His OPS over the past 3 seasons is .781. C Young's OPS over the past 3 seasons is .755. Adam Jones's OPS+ over the past 3 years is 109. Chris Young's OPS over the past 3 seasons is 99. Now, lets look at this trade that you've overvalued incredibly. Jair Jurrjens has averaged 134 IP over the past 2 seasons. He's a very good pitcher when he's healthy, but he hasn't been healthy since 2009, and knee injuries are never something you want to jump feet first into, especially with a pitcher, and especially when it's your push off leg. Martin Prado OPS'd .687 last year. Why the hell would he be starting over JJ Hardy?!? Prady has played TWO games at SS in his entire career. Are you kidding me with this assessment?!? Dude. I mean it's been brutal lately. You just spew ******** after ********. Prado would be the O's starting SS? Really??? Come on man.

Last year, when Aceves faced a hitter for the 2nd time, they hit .259/.366/.376/.743. This data is manipulated by the game against SD when he lost all control and walked 5 hitters in the 2nd inning (3 walks were issued to hitters in their 2nd PA vs Aceves). I know you can't just remove that game, but outside of those 3 walks (remember, he averaged 3.3 BB/9), his numbers the 2nd time through were .259/.337/.376/.713. I'll take that all day. When Aceves faced a hitter for the 3rd time in a game, (only 28 total AB ), they hit .190/.286/.238/.524. Just to put this into perspective, last year hitters OPS'd .728 vs Sabathia in their 2nd time through the lineup. So, by your logic, CC should be a reliever because he gets hurt the 2nd time through the lineup. It's pretty easy to look these stats up man. So maybe check before you just spew ********.

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I'm not arguing that. I'm just arguing that Jackso continously implies that Chris Young is Justin Upton 2.0, and that he's going to cost Kalish + Buchholz + Middlebrooks to acquire. It's just ridiculous. I do think that a package of Doubront/Wilson + Coyle + Josh Fields would get it done.

So what, exactly, is your definition of a "down season". His average was low, but his OPS was consistent with career norms (.751 OPS in 2011, .756 career OPS). That's not a "down season", it's a normal season. Even if you exclude his 1st season when he was 22, and you exclude last season (so that it doesn't manipulate the data), his OPS from 07-10 was .759. How exactly was that a down season? And you make it sound like, in a regular or good season, he will be a .850 - .900 OPS guy. He's never OPS'd .795. The range from his career average OPS to his career high OPS is .037 points. Stop making it sound like he's some perennial .930 OPS guy who had a down year because of injury and still OPS'd "over .750" (meaning .751). Be real man. His OPS of .751 was consistent with his career norms, even if you take out his .693 OPS when he was 22.

True, his FB will probably decrease in value. I don't know if that same effect will happen to his changeup. Either way, I'm sure now that we've made our projections he'll split the middle and be around 3.9-4.0.