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There's no way this is going to become a congressional hearing. It's not gonna happen in an election year.

Not sure how they'd take it away, but I'm into it.

I'd contend that they didn't win in 2013 because of their farm either. Both were veteran led teams.

They did not win in 2004 because of their farm.

Because almost every young player improves somewhat?

What is old is new again.

Not really since posters can pick for more than one poll option.

I think a lot of fans don't want to go through with a season where ownership waved the white flag in January.

I think that's getting a little too far from what either side is comfortable with. It's not often that you see 10 person trades.

As long as I've been a fan, the Sox prospect has more often been barren than full. It's not the greatest way to do business, but it can work for a while.

Durran should always have a high BABIP due to his speed. If he starts to hit AA pitching, look out. DD's trades brought us a ring. I'm happy with most of them. One could quibble about the Kimbrel trade and the Thornburg trade was a huge mistake.

Depth chart on Sox Prospects: C Christian Vazquez MLB C Kevin Plawecki MLB Nobody below is on the 40 man: C Jett Bandy AAA not a prospect, just an older org guy C Austin Rei AA below average offensively and defensively C/3B Joe DeCarlo AA org depth, limited upside C Charlie Madden AA org catcher, no bat C/1B Kole Cottam A+ offensive minded catcher, may move off position at some point, can be used in emergency C Roldani Baldwin A+ similar profile to Cottam, just rule V eligible sooner Jaxx Groshans and Jonathan Diaz are the only other guys with much potential, but both only in Lowell last year.

That's not me. I think the Sox can always be competitive no matter what their farm looks like due to Henry's bank account.

If they move Mookie, I bet more deals follow. If they can't deal Mookie, they'll stand pat and try to compete this year.

Seems like a good makeup guy. Not long ago, Patiño was an undersized Colombian shortstop who would pitch once in a while. The Padres liked his athleticism enough to sign him and move him to the mound full-time. He’s added a full 10 ticks to his fastball over the last two and a half years, and now is not only one of the best on-mound athletes in the minors, but a hard worker and team leader with infectious charisma. Patiño’s velocity came as he got in the weight room and added about 25 pounds. He was so dominant during his first few pro starts in the DSL that the Padres quickly pushed him stateside for the remainder of 2017, then to the Midwest League at age 18 the following year. Not only does Patiño have premium arm strength, he has natural feel for spin, and is a curious learner who quickly actualizes instruction on the mound. He has already begun to vary the cadence of his delivery to mess with hitters’ timing, and has mapped aspects of MacKenzie Gore’s delivery onto his own, just to see if it works for him. He’s still a little too confident with his breaking ball in the zone, but it’s hard not to expect an athlete with work habits like these (Patiño has already learned and is fluent in English) to get better at everything. You can go nuts projecting on his secondaries and command the same way scouts did with Hunter Greene when he was in high school, and Patiño’s breaking stuff is further along than Greene’s was at the same age. He likely won’t grow into more velo because the frame for that isn’t here, but he’s already got plenty of heat. Conservatively, Patiño has mid-rotation upside, but how the changeup and breaking ball command develop matter because that’s where there’s room for significant growth.

If they do too much investigating, they'll find out the nefarious s*** other teams were also doing. They don't want that.

@jay_jaffe Jeter's election and vote share is partly a product of time, place and evolution of voting trends, but the dude is number 6 all-time in hits and was a key player in 5 championships. Stop overthinking this; he'd have been 1st ballot in any year of the modern voting era (1966-on)

They aren't trading Tatis.

At the end of the day, Mookie for Myers, Grisham, Croneworth and Luchessi is far better than just losing Mookie to FA. I'd still like to get another prospect thrown in there.

Gore is untouchable.

Prospective trade: Grisham Trent Grisham also displayed an elite skill in the minors: plate discipline. He too was subject to some swing and approach changes during his time as a prospect, and he struggled. At times he could be described as passive rather than selective, but things seemed to click in 2019 as he retained that feel for the strike zone while also finally hitting for some power. Kiley and I 50 FV’d Grisham last summer, and we think he’s a solid, everyday player. He has less ceiling than Urías, but more certainty now that his swing is dialed in. Croneworth (just came out of the Rays system) Cronenworth, the second part of the Padres’ return, bears more explanation. He’s a 25-year old shortstop with enough glove to stick there, with the arm and fielding motions to handle any position across the infield in at least a utility role. His real appeal is with the bat, where he took a huge step forward in 2019. The International League notably switched to major league baseballs last year, and Cronenworth took advantage. He hit .334/.429/.520, walking 12% of the time while only striking out 15.3%, on the way to arguably his best offensive season at the highest level of competition he’s ever faced. His 10 home runs more than doubled his previous single-season total, and his exit velocity numbers would look at home in the majors; an 89 mph average, with 39% of his contact 95 mph or higher. If this newfound power is going to stick, it will likely come with a lower BABIP and more fly balls — his 1.72 GB/FB ratio limits the amount of damage he can do in the air. Even if he doesn’t hold all of his power gains, the bat control and plate approach give him a nice floor, and he fields and runs enough to make the total package work. Campusano Automatically becomes Sox best C prospect, has a little pop. No fangraphs write up. one of either Quantrill, Luchessi or Michael Baez I'd take Luchessi because he has a higher floor than Quantril or Baez. I do like Quantril though. If they offered Quantril and Luchessi, I'd eat more of Myers' salary as long as they can still get under the tax cap.

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@SPChrisHatfield Only thing on here that surprised me is Baldwin. Missed basically all of 2019 with an injury. 53 games in Salem the year before. Now one of 4 catchers in camp despite below-average defense. Very strange imo.

In 2019, Padres had the 4th lowest payroll. With Machado's salary bumping up by $18M and about $27M for Betts (plus some salary relief for Myers), they'd be closer to middle of the pack. They were 14th in attendance last year. They get about $50M in local tv $$$ (sounds like a lot, but other teams are really getting much more like the Rays @ $82M). Can they afford Betts and eating some of Myers' salary? IDK. The vast majority of their team are on very cheap contracts. Maybe they can have a few high paid guys and just fill in the rest of the roster with their strong farm?

Machado used a crowbar.