TedWilliams101

I was responding to those. You said you would take Drew, I showed that Mags has been better, across the boards, than Drew (career, and '05+ vs Drew in Boston). I also compared him to Drew in Boston because we are talking about Drew in Boston and his contract vs Mag's contract. Mags has performed better than Drew, while playing a ton more games per season, during their current contracts. Sorry If you took me as being hostile. Also, sure their OPS+ are the same, but I take the higher SLG (.512 vs .491), higher BA (.310 vs .281), and much more durable Mags.

Well, so have the Sox. Hopefully we will see the offense wake up in the friendly Fenway confines.

I'm not arguing that he is overpaid. Coco actually tried to argue that JD Drew is better than Mags, has had a better career, and has been better in Bos than Mag's has since the start of his contract (05).

Putting up good OPS+ is great... but you still have to play the games. The point is that Mags actually PLAYED full seasons consistently, JD hasn't. Mags has played 145+ games 9 times out of 11 seasons, JD Drew has only done that twice (with 146 being the most games played in a season). Mag's career: 1901 hits, 273 HR, 1127 RBI. (13 seasons) JD's Career: 1200 hits, 204 HR, 675 RBI (12 seasons) Mag's actually PLAYED, so he was able to have strong FULL seasons. Also, you are actually WRONG about JD having a better career in Boston than Mag's has had since '05. Mags since '05: 22.6 HR/y, 111.6 RBI/y. 0.315, 0.377, 0.491, 0.868 That is including his ridiculous slump this season. JD in Bos: 20.55 HR/y, 81.2 RBI/y. 0.264, 0.381, 0.459, 0.841 For the HR and RBI averages, I based it on playing 162 games. If you just look at the actually games they played, it would favor Mags even more. Looks like Magglio was more productive since 2005, not just in the fact he played FULL seasons, but he put up better overall numbers as well. What else are you going to throw at me?

His job in the middle of the lineup was to drive in runs, not to just get on base. He did that. Sure, he didn't have spectacular seasons, but they were solid, at the least. I think the real point is in the comparison to JD Drew. How many "great" seasons has Drew ever had? 2? Maybe? Mags has done WAY more in his career and during his contract than Drew. That's the point.

How many 25+ HR, 99+ RBI years has Drew had? Ordonez: 2006: 24 HR 104 RBI, .298, .350, .477, .827 2007: 28 HR 139 RBI, .363, .434, .595, 1.029 2008: 21 HR 103 RBI, .317, .376, .494, .869 Yeah, only one great year. So in this supposed "bad" stretch, he manged to put up MORE 20+ HR, 100+ RBI season than Drew has in his career (3 20+ HR, 1 100 RBI season). But he's only had 1 great season since 03...

Really? 9 1/2 seasons of 145+ games played with 2 injury shortened seasons is a case in point? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy was durable and raked before and after his injury. He is have an off year, no doubt, but it's just that, a bad slump. And in regard to his contract, he signed a 5 year deal in '05 for $75 million (at age 31). The deal INCLUDED protection for the team if he couldn't stay healthy. If he missed 25+ games on the DL related to his knee injury, the team could void his deal.

Magglio is a much better hitter... and averages over 155 games played per season, minus 2 years he was injured. I don't mind Drew's contract, it's just that he is always injured. $14 million for 2/3 of a great season and 1.5 sub-par years isn't getting it done. Why bring up Mags? .310, .369, .512, 6 season of 25+ HRs, 8 seasons of 99+ RBIs. JD who? Gary Matthew Jr and Juan Pierre's contracts are head-scratchers (although I can understand Juan Pierre's a bit more, but Matthew's is just unbelievable). I'm way happy with JD over either of them.

Betancourt just got traded to COL so it doesn't look like the Sox were interested.

He has been less productive with the Sox than what we thought he would give us. Bos: 331 games .264 BA .381 OBP .459 SLG .841 OPS. Now, I can live with those numbers, but couple that with the fact that he misses so much time (140 games in 06 was great, but he had only 11HR, 64 RBI. W/ RISP: .237, .388, .396, .784 That's not getting it done). Last season he had a great year, BUT again, he missed 1/3 of the season. Then this season he is in a horrible slump. I'll live with him and he is usually productive, but his time in Boston hasn't exactly been stellar. I'll take it, but I don't love it.

Drew has put up almost his exact career stats in RISP. No issue there. The ONLY knock against Drew is his durability. He rarely stays healthy for a full season.

I really hope you are being sarcastic.

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If it wasn't for this awesome Dizzy and 'Bird' Bebop I'm listening to, I'd probably be close to murdering someone.

No, I'm not advocating a bad trade that screws us in the future. Just something to improve this team and get them swinging the bats again. I know, it probably won't happen, I'm just pissed right now and need to vent!

Pathetic. This home stand is going to be crucial. If the Sox offense continues to struggle, Theo is going to have to make a big block-buster trade to jump start this team.

Bold prediction: Tek strikes out on the high FB.

Drew's always hurt.

Win the game or go quietly. I don't want to strand the bases loaded with 2 out and a 3-2 score.

I know, it's was just a joke. If I wasn't in here, I'd be breaking my Xbox 360 controller, TV, or both.

We should just do what the Sox offense has been doing lately... take the day off. Have no thread, no discussion. We stop gameday threads until they win again.

It's great fun. You should try it some time.

I can't wait for L4D 2. Now would be a great time to take a chainsaw or frying pan to some zombies.

Gay... JK.