jacksonianmarch

thing is, deals are at a minimum right now, and he doesnt have a lot to deal right now, unless he is looking to get bent over.

154-98 to be exact.

dude, the NL is the JV league. Their pitchers come over here and suck. They go to your league they are good. For example, look at the entire cardinals pitching staff. Carpenter couldnt cut it in Toronto, Suppan was run out of Boston, Weaver was run out of the ALWest for god sakes. They won a world series against a team that couldnt hit but got hot at the right time. BTW, if the NL is so good, why was the AL 56 games over .500 against the NL last season?

um...yeah...you got kinda swept. How did you do again?

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well, Crisp heavily declined in year 1, so that kinda bucked everything they were trying to bring.

or it could be he missed some time too. The fact is, I know they are team dependent stats, and everything. But they are the most important stats, as games are won by who has the most runs, not the higest VORP.

I guess I got him confised with someone else. It is Milwaukee of all places, where old horses are sent to be turned into glue.

what about you guys?

Ben Davis and D'Amico, wow that takes you back now doesnt it. Sheets and Capuano are a good top 2. Vargas is the 3, Suppan would be the 3 or 4 and the guy who would have taken #5 (Mark Rogers) is going under the knife for the season. They will still have problems.

me neither. I just learned what IsoP was recently. I still like the OBP, SLG, RBI, R, and the rest of the traditional stats.

One thing I will say, though, is that you hardly see someone have a statistically significant SOLID IsoP in the minors and then not continue it in the bigs over the long haul. Just took a peek at Pedroia's stats. His power is very suspect, but that OBP is pretty good. .084 in 2 MiLB seasons will translate into something very nice for the sox, so long as they dont expect the mini-midget to crank 20HRs.

yeah, but the reasons why he went to KC and Pitt were to revive the career and then move onto bigger and better things. He was very movable at that point. This time, he would essentially cement himself into a non-baseball city, one that goes through a cycle of rebuilding every 3 years and he'll be the one unhappy guy wondering why everyone behind him is dropping his balls and why he has 17 losses with a 3.1 era.

Career suicide? After a yr where he essentially cemented himself as a top tier NL pitcher and big game pitcher, he might end up in Milwaukee? I understood him going to Pitt and KC when he did to revive his career, but choosing to go to Milwaukee when his stock couldnt be higher is career suicide.

they might get a couple of hooters wings and maybe a turkey leg, but a few good arms? Nah.

oh and another guy that fit around your guidelines in Richie Sexson. Career MiLB IsoP .063 Career MLB IsoP .081 as a matter of fact, look at his overalls. 1994 .065 1995 .062 1996 .055 1997 .047 1998 .068 1999 .050 1st full season in MLB 2000 .072 2001 .071 2002 .084 2003 .107 2004 .104 2005 .106 2006 .074 looks pretty similar to everything you are trying to disprove. Starts off a free swinger and matures into a solid IsoP guy.

what you arent incorporating is the variation as one ages. It peaks as you get towards your prime and then falls as you go over the hill. Most of the time, the best minor league IsoP numbers come right before coming up to the majors. In Melky's case, he was rushed due to necessity and his final season, the one that would make your IsoP case prudent, if it were in the MiLB, you would have your point. Take a look at a few of these players. Carlos Beltran's IsoP 1995 .054 1996 .083 1997 .082 1998 .073 1999 .044 first season in the majors 2000 .062 2001 .056 2002 .073 2003 .082 2004 .100 2005 .064 2006 .113 look at the fluctuations in the minors, from .050 to .080 in one season. What would happen if he was in the majors after that first season? Obviously, Cabrera has a little more minor league experience than one season, but the fluctuations above show that both of us could be right, depending on where in the career you want to sample. Here is another guy Felipe Lopez 1998 .018 1999 .074 2000 .046 2001 .057 2002 .076 2003 .080 2004 .061 2005 .061 first full yr in the majors 2006 .085 look at these numbers. Lets assume that he was called up after 2001 and that was his IsoP? We would be in the exact same boat as Cabrera was in. My point is, the guy was called up too early. He came up and had an up to this point career IsoP year. If this .080 IsoP year was in AAA, we would all be talking about a guy who is an up and comer.

so you want me to retort against your anecdotal evidence with more anecdotal evidence? Who is throwing the bunk around again?

no it is not a bunch of bunk my friend. I have already looked up many players. Most improved their BB% as they aged.

Remember how young he is too. He is the next ARod assuming he stays in shape and stays healthy. He could be the next 25mil man.