TheKilo

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote or even used some common sense, seeing as all of these pitchers were from the respective team's farm system. And seeing as Beckett was originally from the Marlins organization, then adding him to the original list would seem rather stupid, wouldn't it? He is an enigma because he has a history of success with pretty bad K/9 numbers. Now, try to keep up here, but if a pitcher is so dependent on his defense to make outs on balls put in play, then usually he's not having great successes. Wang, for 2.5 years now, is having sustained success without the consistent ability to strike guys out. Therein lies the enigma. And bringing up Rivera is another good point because he failed as a starter with his "one good pitch" and had to be moved to the bullpen, but he has better strikeout numbers than Wang, which further adds to the intrigue as to why Wang has had success. Am I moving too fast for you, Gom? LOL!

Buchholz vs. kennedy

The White Sox, that is. If they sign him, they are officially the worst organization in baseball. But, they will be the grittiest, so at least they have that going for them. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/536343,CST-SPT-soxip31.article

Guys, you really don't have to do that. I'll play the game for the competition of it and because I think it'd be fun.

Kyle Snyder would leave the pen before Lopez or Delcarmen. Tavarez, too. PS - Delcarmen got out of the mess Lopez started. And Delcarmen's been better than Timlin this year. Besides, one bad outing is not indicative of future happenings. I still think this is a joke account.

I did than thought better of it, I'd like to see how my team does first. And this is going to sound really lame of me, but I really can't afford to send out the dues for this fantasy football thing. I'm living in an apartment this semester and am pretty much going to be living check to check (from a school job that pays $8/hr) this semester because (a) I like to eat and ( I spent close to $600 on books. If you want me to leave the league, I will, or you could let me continue playing and I would not accept the prize in the unlikely event I win. I didn't think this would require dues, much like the fantasy baseball league I'm in now, otherwise I would not have signed up for it. Again, I apologize, but there's really nothing I can do.

That's a very good point but you also must concede that the rate in which the M's were giving up runs does not make the 9 game losing streak out of the ordinary, which is really my point.

Olney said it's "not extremely serious" but the season is in jeopardy on OTL this afternoon.

That game was in Fenway...?

Yeah, this thread was made for the pitchers in mind. Y228, what's your opinion on Ian Kennedy and to a lesser extent, Sanchez? I'd love to get some of the posters here who know the Sox arms to weigh in as well.

Yep, it's pretty much done at this point.

It was actually his elbow, lol. I mean, LOL!

So tell me again why I should think RH is a stand up guy for getting caught with an illegal substance? I said that. So, in essence, they both took PED's, but I'm supposed to cut Harrison some slack because he "did it to get back on the field faster", knowing it was illegal? PS, Harrison using something to rehab his knee faster and make it stronger gives him an edge on the field, too. RH never failed a test but admitted to using it. Merriman failed a test and doesn't admit to using it. Moral - They're both idiots for getting caught. If Pats fans can criticize the SD organization for letting Merriman play after his incident the Patriots are now also open to that same criticism. Oh but you are. When Barry Bonds was using PED's they weren't illegal. And yes, it may have helped his on field performance, but so does HGH for Rodney. That right there, is making excuses for Rodney Harrison. I have plenty of other things to hate the Pats about, but can you now sit there and tell me the Pats organization is as wonderful as you think it is?

Was** I love the guy, but his shoulder isn't what it was. he can be a very good pitcher in the NL and get by on guile. You think he'd be successful in the AL?

Well congrats, but I still don't think you know what their Pythagorean Record is all about.

Bad mechanics lead to 91 mph heaters down Broadway.

Personally, i view the Yankee's crop as better from top to bottom. Kennedy and Hughes are better than Lester and Masterson. However, I think the best pitchers out of the two teams would be Papelbon and Buchholz, so Boston may have the cream of the crop. Add in Beckett and DiceK, and things get even more level. One thing is for sure, the next ten years or so watching these guys develop is going to be a treat.

Phil Hughes - The Phranchise has looked a little ophph since hurting his hamstring early on in the season against Texas, and that ankle sprain hasn't done very much phor his velocity either. Should there be legitimate concerns about this injury from the Yankee camp? Keep in mind, he is only 21 years old and seems to be having his growing pains right now, but could that ankle sprain have done more damage than initially thought? I personally don't think so, but if he doesn't improve on that phastball command (which I think he will) he could be in for a rough go of it. Jon Lester - Houdini. Gets out of jams like it's his job. Took the Sox by storm last year before being shelved with cancer, makes a triumphant return this year but continues his maddening inconsistency. Not long ago he was the top pitching prospect in the Sox organization, now it appears he's been passed by two people. he certainly has the stuff to be a Major League pitcher, but his issues with command could be his undoing. Ian Kennedy - I don't know much about him, and I'm not going to go off Jacko's sploogefests, but it seems that he has put together a very nice season at the minor league level. Where do Yankee fans see this guy, realistically? Justin Masterson - The one we wouldn't give up for Dye. he's had a couple of rough outings lately, and questions have surfaced about his early success being a product of his slightly unorthodox delivery. Theo obviously sees something he likes, but is Masterson a guy to get really excited about? Is his future a set-up man or are they going to attempt to make him a starter? And there are others I haven't even mentioned. Humberto Sanchez, Michael Bowden, etc. Who has the advantage in this arms race?

This thread has been a long time coming, folks. Let's hear some interesting discussion on the homegrown arms that will be keeping this rivalry fresh for the next 10 or so years. I think we can all agree that these would be the top 4 pitching prospects for each team. Who has the advantage here though? CM Wang - An enigma to say the least. The guy has very unimpressive strikeout numbers and heading into this season, a lackluster secondary arsenal and yet he has won 35 games over the last two calendar seasons. Still, can he get by on pitching to contact in the ALE as often as he does? I'll admit I expected him to fall off a bit this year but he has been remarkably consistent. Jonathan Papelbon - We know what he gives you as a closer. The question surrounding Papelbon is injury concerns. The Sox have done an excellent job in managing his usage this season, and he has responded by picking up where he left off last season. He's had a better season than Mo this year, and it has given the Sox a glimpse of what it's like to have a shut down closer. Joba Chamberlain - The Slut's taken the MLB by storm, and why not? High 90's heat and a slider that just kills batters, he has given up just 5 hits in his 11.1 innings pitched, to go with a very impressive 17/4 K/BB ratio. The question is....starter or heir apparent to #42? Clay Buchholz - IMO, the crown jewel of the Theo administration. The no hitter was hopefully a glimpse of what we could see out of this kid. Two plus off speed pitches enable him to get by with less than spectacular fastball command, but there is time for this 23 yr old converted SS to make that transition. Can he be a future ace? Absolutely. I look forward to seeing his progression...

Yeah, but a lefty against the Yankees lineup is like automatic QS. And with the way Hughes has been pitching...

He also went out and bought a substance that he knew to be illegal. I think it's a stretch to say that what he did was leaps and bounds ahead of what Merriman did last year just because he admitted to using it. They were both dumb enough to be caught with a banned substance, only Merriman was dumber in his lame ass excuse. Sorry, but since both players got caught with something illegal you can't sit there and tell me RH is a stand up guy over this. Would you say the same thing for Barry Bonds?

I agree 100%. Where are all of the Pats fans saying that their organization is the best in sports? They're saying "it was his choice and not a perception of the organization as a whole." And yet they are perfectly happy claiming it was their organization that turned a guy like Corey Dillon from a whiner to a consummate teammate. Can't have it both ways, Pats fans.