Paradisecity

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I have a friend who looks exactly like John Lackey. He even looks like that when he says "f***". He's a sox fan.

Of course there is no comparison of the level of talent between me playing soccer and some of the best athletes on the planet. Im trying to relate on a smaller level about human interaction and what we prefer out of people. I guess perhaps relating it personally probably makes lots of sense for me and no one else. Regarding the second point, I can see what you mean about Welker and Pedroia. What I mean to say is that I see them as people who have to overachieve in order to be very very good because they have weaknesses that have been traditionally seen as career enders (or non starters). No I don't think the accountant underachieved. That is why I brought it up. Believe it or not, I don't hate J.D. Drew. I just don't want him to O on my face either. Is he an underachiever? Maybe, maybe not. I think when someone has such a laid back, even keeled attitude it is a lot easier to throw that around, obviously. Its like I said before, I believe he is underrated in the media and overrated on this board. JD Drew is not God, he is not Vic Mackey, and he is not even the best player, or second best player on the Red Sox. But the stroking he gets on this board makes it as if he is the second coming of Ted Williams, and it gets old. Thats all. Now I'm gonna go root for J.D. Drew to hit 3 home runs tonight, knowing full well the ass-raping I will take on here if he does. Go Sox.

Is he banned?

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE LITTLE DEBBY SNACK? Sorry i just wanted to write that so I could laugh even more. Mine is probably the Peanut Butter Bars.

Wow Im laughing out loud right now. Why would those get deleted? That is comedy gold.

Who is Coco's Dicksickles? Those quotes are hysterical

It was a survey of 380 ballplayers- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1159222/index.htm They cite it in that same article lauding him that was printed earlier in the season. OK- a couple direct questions- Would you agree that professional baseball players have a better understanding of baseball talent than we do? Would you be ok with that employee situation as discussed earlier- or would you be upset? Personally, I'm not sure where I would fit there. Kind of upset I think but I would still understand he is doing a good job. I think Id say to myself "ok, whatever, he could do better, but he does well" And that is how I feel about J.D. Drew. "Ok, whatever. He could do better, but he does well." I didn't hate the Drew signing, and I still don't. But I don't sit in my room masturbating to my J.D. Drew starting lineup figure either. Do they still make starting lineup figures?

I dont think I'm a victim. I am explaining to you why people take offense to your posts, since recently you seemed so confused as to why and were offering to call tribal council votes to be voted out. Take it constructively. Or don't. Up to you. Thanks for the smiley though. On the topic: I completely agree with you, a player should be able to have whatever personality serves them best. Would it anger you if you were running a business and had a very good employee who was your highest paid employee and was doing a very good job but could be doing much much better? Because his peers seem to think he could be doing much much better. Some people would be content with the very good job. Others would be upset at the lack of peak performance.

Why are you so focused on production? This conversation is about J.D. Drew's appreciation level (which is silly in itself, as we as fans shouldn't really need to have conversations as to whether we are appreciating enough someone who gets paid 14M a season to play a f***ing baseball game) Do A-Rod's peers call him an underachiever? And the reason 700 thinks you might be angry is because any time anybody disagrees with you about anything, you respond with words like ludicrous, ridicule, THIS, FAIL, and a tone that presents yourself as an angry, self-righteous person in a Bill O'Reilly-like manner.

It is relevant towards a discussion of him getting his "due" (whatever that is), as a player's image is a very important part of how that player, employee, politician, person, is judged by his friends, coworkers, peers, media, etc... When will A-Rod get his due? I play soccer at a fairly competitive level, with some former low level pros and a lot of other players who are half decent but just think they are better than they are. I am not the most skilled soccer player. I have the first touch of a rapist and no matter what I do on the field, I can NOT put the ball in the net. What I AM, is the hardest, smartest worker on the field every time I step on it. The way I play commands the respect of everyone else on the field. Why? Because on that field I am an overachiever. I do more than I should be able to with the talent that I have been given. In life, we tend to gravitate towards the little guy- the Dustin Pedroia who will never make it in the bigs, the Wes Welker type who manages to cut between players with feet on him in size and hundreds of pounds in weight. We root for the 15 seed busting its ass to beat that full-of-itself 2 that would have been a 1 if it had hit its potential. Personally, I can not STAND playing ball with players who are blessed with talent and are no better than I am because they don't work hard enough and don't try hard enough. Maybe J.D. Drew is the consummate professional- handling the game like a job rather than a passion, always on an even keel. Dustin Pedroia is the guy in sales, yukking it up with everyone he sees and scoring sales for the firm, while J.D. Drew is working in the backroom in the accounting department quietly earning his keep for the firm. Maybe that is the best way for anyone to handle the game, (and lets not forget, that is what it is, a game). Or maybe it is just the best way for him to handle the game. After all, we need an accountant, but we need a salesman too. What it isn't though, is endearing to most fans. It presents the attitude of someone who doesn't care much, who isn't utilizing all of his talents, all of his power, to milk everything that he can out of the game. Is that the case? I don't know. But if his peers are calling him an underachiever, that is quite the indictment that there is more behind his attitude than the "consummate professional." That would insinuate apathy, which is not follwed by adoration. Whether or not J.D. Drew is underachieving has everything to do with this discussion.

1st- Yes, I was very very wrong about Wily Mo Pena. But you have to admit, he could hit the ball really really far. 2nd- Would anyone like to address J.D. Drew as viewed by his peers, other than calling the magazine who wrote the article stupid?

Hey All, I'm the best man for my brother's bachelor party and he wants to do a game at the Fens next summer. Ive been looking around the Sox website and the only group packages I can find are the luxury ones. does anyone know good places to find 10-25 tickets together? We will be going for something reasonable- bleachers would be best. Thanks!

I think this is the call, and I think and hope this is what happens. Lets remember that everyone in the media was lauding the sox FO for the Smoltz/Penny experiment, but we all watched that fall apart very very quickly. I think the FO will have that on their minds when they are evaluating this season's Free Agent Market.

...everything suns said, plus he's leaving next year anyway and the browns suck this year so why not get picks and players for him while dumping salary?

I think this should be the Yanks year but if the Halos beat us, the yanks have a curveball coming: Angels over Red Sox Yankees over Twins Angels over Yankees Phillies over Rockies Cardinals over Dodgers Phillies over Cardinals Angels over Phillies

...and not shoot himself in a nightclub.

Thank you for clarifying. This is interesting stuff. Thanks. I will have to read more about it. Regardless of whether or not I agree with it, it is surely valid enough to use to state your opinion.

OK, so in effect, these numbers have little to do with what he would command in the open market as a free agent?

Have you read my thoughts in this thread? Or are you just being inflammatory?

So Fangraphs comes up with a dollar value that states JD Drew would make 20M in free agency? I don't really know where to start with that.

I'm still looking for (and looking forward to) TheKilo's response in our conversation that was like 7 pages ago. Who here believes that JD Drew should be the highest paid player on the Red Sox? Who disagrees? Who replaces him? How much should he be making? How much should Drew be making? Who likes butterscotch?

It is like God made all of the talksox posters menstruate for 4 days between the regular and postseason.

Thanks- and thanks to Dipre for the links.