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And how much worse could it have gotten by going to the pen? I never said that the game wasn't on Buch, but it was pretty obvious that Buch couldn't hold a 10 run lead last night, so what could Farrell have hoped to achieve by letting Buch take the beating that everyone knew was inevitable? It was painful to watch. Farrell needs to be trying to achieve something whether that be giving guys a look to see if they can help next year or to build up someone's confidence or to help a player learn a new position, etc., but have some goal. Leaving Buch in was nothing but detrimental to Buch and team morale, which at this point still means something. Build up a winning atmosphere at the end and maybe it carries over to next season. The losing atmosphere at the end of 2011 carried over big time to 2012.

There was nothing to be gained from leaving him in so long. The outing had no chance of building his confidence. Farrell should have cut his and Buch's losses and taken him out before he had a chance to give back the lead a second time. An outing like last night's, damaged the kid much more than it helped him. Plus he used over 100 bullets. If he got him out of there after 75 or 80 pitches, maybe he'd be a little stronger the next time out. This "the season is over" mantra is ********. Pedey doesn't mail it in. Papi is still hitting his HRs. Vasquez is playing his heart out. When Craig returns, he'll be tring to win a spot for next season. Guys are playing hard and trying to change the losing atmosphere, so giving Farrell mulligan after mulligan for stupid move after stupid move is a copout. Beyond not giving the team a chance to win the game, he did nothing to help his pitcher. It was like a cornerman leaving his boxer out there to take a beating.

I am not defending him. Just pointing out that when the guy is right, he is going to shove it in your face because of the amount of s*** he gets from you and others. You need to stop whining like a wuss. Everyone here is a broken record about something. Fred is no different. Sometimes I skip over people's posts when they become repetitive. You should try it instead of getting your panties all in a bunch. I completely disagreed with him about the Drew signing. Yet, he isn't shoving it in my face, because I didn't call him an old crackpot and a broken record and STFU etc. People will treat you the way you treat them. It is as simple as that. I am not defending him. HE does pretty well at that himself. As for just criticizing XB and Automatic Out, Jr., do you remember how he felt about Drew? LOL! Plus, I am pretty sure that he is not to fond of Buch either. LOL! Let me ask you this, should Betts be playing over Bradley? He has had almost 500 major league plate appearances-- hitting .214 and OPS ing at .601 and falling.

If you all want to be angry, think about the stupidity of Farrell letting Buchholz blow two 3 run leads letting him pitch horribly into the 5th inning and over 100 pitches. What was going on there? Was he trying to get Buch a W? He didn't deserve one. There is no way that the outing was going to build confidence after the 2nd inning. It was lunacy. Everyone watching the game could tell that Buch was on a path to destruction last night. If you really want to get furious listen to John Sterling's call of Gardners homer. "Gardy goes Yardy!"

As soon as Fred makes a call, lots of posters invest a lot of time telling him why he is a nut. There is always a visceral, emotional response. I disagree with Fred about a lot of stuff. I thought the Drew move was a good move, but I didn't rant for him to STFU. That would have been stupid on my part, because I didn't know how it would turn out. I still am on the fence with XB. I am hoping that the switch back to SS turns things around for him, but again, I am not attacking him for his XB position, because there aren't any good signs yet. A lot of you attacked Fred from the get go. That looks like a mistake. Now, when it has become obvious to everyone except the willfully blind and those who can't bear the thought of Fred being right, that the Drew acquisition was a bungle and that Bradley can't hit, you are all whining when Fred serves up the crow. Last night, ESPN pointed out the futility of Bradley just as much as we did in the game thread. Also, there is some displaced anger here. Fred didn't make this team suck, so stop all your fuming.

Wow E1! What a bummer! Do you want people to feel bad if we sign Lester and Scherzer? It seems like that would buy them a lot of time to grow someone within the organization who could eventually help anchor the staff.

At least there was some excitement tonight, although the outcome seemed like a foregone conclusion with Buch on the mound even when we were in the lead. Ortiz is a hitting god. Pedroia never mails it in, and I have loved what Vasquez has done thus far. I wanted the guy to come up a month earlier. Buch and Bradley were atrocious as usual.

Don't start. We don't need it. The season sucks enough.

4 walks and 80 pitches and he hasn't gotten thru 4 innings. I hope Jeter hits one off his forehead.

If they are serious about getting Bradley on track, it is not going to happen by sending him out there game after game to fail. He is getting destroyed. He needs a special hitting instructor. Bring in Yaz, or Rice or Dewey or Freddie Lynn to work with the kid for 2 or 3 days. The kid needs help. His career is circling the drain, and I don't think I am exaggerating.

Agreed. I was just surprised by his statement.

if Bradley doesn't show something before the end of this season, I can't see him as the incumbent CFer in 2015.

Neither Napoli or Craig built much trade value this season.

XB and Bradley back to back is brutal. Kruk says that Bradley was late on BP fastballs before the game.

I am just curious regarding the packages that he was offered.

If he can't get healthy, we will not be able to move him. If he gets healthy, I'd prefer to keep him.

Cherries is saying that they had some attractive prospect packages available for Lester and Lackey, but he went for the quick rebuild. Interesting.

How long can Buch hold this lead?

Pedroia never mails it in. Way to go!

Head up Ass Disease. Little League kids know to make the throw home.

Him and Webster will have the training staff buying Depends like crazy.

He cannot be the centerpiece of our staff next season.

Sometimes it is easier not to disagree with someone when there is no evidence to the contrary -- just based on wanting the other person to be wrong. LOL!!

Victorino is one of those guys that is just a winner. The team is better off with him in the lineup than all of the other guys that you mentioned.

Bogey ends the inning with a DP leaving more RISP. I think Fred might be right about the guy.