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I think if you check the attendance figures you will find that there were a number of seasons where the Yankees finished as high or higher than the Mets in the standings, but finished behind the Mets in attendance. I don't think there is a single season when the yankees had more attendance, but finished as as low or lower than the Mets in the standings. Generally, the attendance has related to winning, but not in every instance. One glaring example was 1964 when the Yanks were the AL Champs, but drew less people than the last place Mets team with 109 losses. Your own figures disprove your premise that there is no room for the Mets in NY. In the 47 years when they have co-existed, the Yanks have a only the slightest yearly attendance advantage over the Mets despite having a much more successful 47 year history in terms of Division, League and World Championships. Your original argument was not that NY was not an NL city, but rather there was no room for the Mets in NY. Your own research refutes your premise.

While the Yankees were winning 20 of their 26 World Series, more NY fans went to NL ballparks. Even when the Mets were tremendous losers from 1964-1968 they out drew the Yankees. They continued to out draw them until 1976. In 1977, the Mets traded Seaver and became a little league team for years. Beginning in 1984 the Mets drew more fans than the Yanks each year until 1993. I don't know how hold you are, but historically throughout more than 100 years, NY has been more of an NL town.

When Boston had two teams, it was more of an AL town as the Red Sox always drew many more fans than the Braves. In NY, more fans went to NL games than AL games until 1958 when the Giants and Dodgers moved west. NY was an AL town until 1964 when the lowly Mets started to outdraw the AL Champion Yanks, and the Mets outdrew the Yanks every year until 1976 when the Yankees opened the second Yankee Stadium. In the long history of baseball in NY, it has been much more of an NL town than an AL town.

It's too bad that you live in a world of denial. For all of the Yankee Empire garbage, they have to share their own city with the Mets and before the Mets, they shared it with the Dodgers and Giants. Baseballs roots in NY are very heavily NL roots.

If that were true, there would be no Divas and prima donas, because they would not be tolerated.The reality is that baseball always has a few divas sprinkled around, and they are always star players. You never see a bench player who is a diva, because he'd be unemployed real fast. Teams tolerate the diva routine from stars. Hence, my "he's earned it" comment. I didn't say that it was right. It just is.

Pedro has earned the right to be a bit of a diva. Just sayin

Maybe I used the wrong word when I talked about personality. The problem with Pedro is not his personality, but his diva persona. The Sox FO doesn't want to deal with it.

At the same price, I take Harden, but if Harden wants $8-10 million and Pedro will take $3 plus incentives, I go back to Pedro. You don't need to worry though. Pedro has too much personality, spunk and controversy for the taste of this FO, which prefers blander personalities who they consider to be "consummate professionals" like Smoltz. They'll never sign Pedro at any price.

... and used my material in your interview. You phony! You're probably not even a cab driver.

It was his bum arm that was causing his leg injuries. With his arm repaired and rehabbed, I think he can pitch a full season. I think he'll be more durable than Wakefield has been the last couple of years. I don't see him making 35 starts, but I could see him making 25-30 starts. Harden's arm is on borrowed time. It can blow on a moments notice. Plus, I think he will want a multi-year contract whereas I think Pedro will sign for 1 year for much less money. I see Pedro as the better value, seriously.

He'll be three years removed from the surgery next spring. He's been fully rehabbed and regained significant arm strength and his velocity is better than it was when he was with the Mets before he went down with the injury. If the sox are going to go for a surgically repaired or injured pitcher, I'd prefer Pedro over Sheets, Bedard, Harden, or most others, because he is probably healthier than they are. Obviously, I would prefer a young healthy pitcher over Pedro, but that would involve a huge cost in either prospects, cash or both.

Is he worthy of a rotation spot for the Sox?

Crashing in a plane in the off season would be perfect symmetry

Gom is stealing lines from my posts and giving them to the Daily news as quotes. Can he be banned for this? Gom as quoted by the Daily News: My post: http://www.talksox.com/forum/general-baseball-forum/13409-2009-world-series-phillies-yankees-26.html#post495083 You decide.

Prediction: Hairston knocks himself silly running into the OF wall and Matt Stairs legs out an inside the park HR followed by a massive coronary that kills him. The game is suspended until Sunday out of respect. When it resumes, the Phillies win, but Charlie Manuel can't remember who should be playing because he lost the original lineup card..

Agreed. Who would acknowledge missing a ball if it didn't really happen? It's not the kind of thing that you brag about. I've caught one foul ball in my life and gotten part of my hand on a few others. I can tell you who hit the ball I caught, the ballpark and the opponent. I remember very little about the misses. One miss that I have not lived down was a t-shirt drop at a Hockey game. I had a beer in one hand as the tee-shirt came at me. Unlike a baseball that can be snared with one hand, you need to use 2 hands to grab the tee shirt. I was not going to drop the beer. There was no chance of that. I decided to bring the tee shirt into my body with one hand and trap it against by body. It came in higher than I expected and when I tried to trap it against my body it bounced off the top of my chest into the row in front of me. I have been hearing about that for about 4 years from my son.

It could be a high scoring game.

The Phillies are getting 1 1/2 runs tonight. Not great odds, but I took the bet. I probably let the heart interfere with the head on this one. My allegedly objective reasoning is that Philly is a very tough team with an excellent lineup, and I think they will keep all of the games very close, even if they lose. Also, Burnett is susceptible to throwing a stinker in a big game. The tone for both of these pitchers will be set in the first 2 innings.

I never hated any of these guys, but I would move anyone, young or old in a trade to improve the team, and Buchholz for Lee would have improved the 2009 team, maybe to the point of the ALCS or beyond. He also would improve the team next season as well. Buchholz has really accomplished nothing so far. He has talent, and he has shown promise, but he has accomplished nothing beyond one game against Baltimore in 2007. I don't know why people take it as "hate", because I would favor trading a player to improve the team. Maybe Buchholz will be really good, but in 2008 his horrible growing pains cost the Sox the East Division title and loss of home field advantage may have cost another Championship. This year he didn't help improve the team over what it did in 2008. I'm not laying the failure of this team at his feet, but if he had been a 17 game winner he could have pushed the team to a higher level. He is 3 years in developing at the major league level. He had a cup of coffee at the ML Level in 2007, but he had an opportunity in 2008 to crack the rotation and he s*** the bed so badly that it set him back 2 years. If he had been moved for a high performing veteran in the 2007 offseason, the last two season could have had better outcomes. If he doesn't step up next year, that will make 4 years of growing pains. He'll be 25 next season. To me, he's at a crossroads. Lester went through some growing pains and cancer as well and he broke out in a big way when he was 24. Am I impatient? Yes, I am, but the core of this team is in place, and it needs 1 or 2 big pieces to make it a Championship team. You don't get those pieces for free. They cost talent. If you keep Bucchholz and he has another meh season and you pass on a big time guy like Felix, the core gets 1 year older without a championship. Before you know it, guys are aging out of their primes by time Buchholz steps up to be a star. I don't hate Buchholz. That terminology is just ridiculous. This team is built to win now. Other posters like Example are talking about getting studs like King Felix and Adrian Gonzalez. They will cost us most if not all of our blue chippers. We are not getting those guys for Aaron Bates. Example is not a hater of prospects. Felix is going to cost us Buchholz.

It really caromed off your hand. I would have kept the ball. A Home Run ball in a World Series, hit by a potential Hall of Famer is special.

Great minds...

That sucks. Would you have thrown it back?