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In light of your analysis, I'll ask you the same question that I asked E1. Do you see a high likelihood that the current pitchers will markedly outperform 2011, perform about the same as 2011, or markedly under perform 2011. Which do you view as the likely outcome? BTW. With regard to health and conditioning, I am not so optimistic that there will be much improvement due to organizational changes. Hopefully, a number of these guys are self-motivated by their lousy 2011 showings. Beckett just recently met up with Bobby V face to face, so I don't think our strength and conditioning people have been working with him yet.
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Dice K will not be back by the All Star Break. That is very unlikely. Starting pitchers take at least 18 months to return to effectiveness. That's a minimum. We'll be lucky to see him by September. Edit: And what about the bullpen?
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Do you see a high likelihood that the current pitchers will markedly outperform 2011, perform about the same as 2011, or markedly underperform 2011. Which do you view as the likely outcome?
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It would be one story if answereing the question marks like Bailey's and Buchholz's health and the ability of Melancon to be an effective 8th inning guy would make the staff markedly better in 2012. Unfortunately, I think even when viewed in the most positive light, the 2012 pitching will be about the same as it was in 2011. If a few of the question marks don't have favorable outcomes, the 2012 pitching could be markedly worse.
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That's the best argument yet that the 2012 pitching will be improved as currently constituted. However, other than to say that Bailey and Melancon constitute significant talent, you really didn't address how the bullpen plays out. How does Albers, Melancon and Bailey stack up against Wheeler, Aceves, Bard and Papelbon? I am assuming that Aceves is a starter, because he has been told to prepare to be a starter. I think there is a big drop off in the pen.
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The danger in this approach is if the Rangers or someone other than than Yankees sign one of these guys. If that happens, we will be in a bidding war with the Yankees for the remaining pitcher. That outcome will not favor the Sox.
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Take all the time you want in replying. I just don't think there are any very good arguments to believe that the 2012 pitching "as currently constructed" will be better than the 2011 pitching. If there were any strong arguments people would be all over it. No one, let me repeat, no one is disagreeing that if the Sox get another starting pitcher that the 2012 pitching will be improved. As of now, they have not acquired that pitcher, and if they don't acquire another pitcher it is very difficult to make an argument that the 2012 pitching will be improved. Arguing that Buchholz will be healthy for the whole year is not an effective argument. Even if his back injury doesn't recur, I had pointed out that the top 3 pitchers in our rotation have not stayed healthy for an entire season for many years. I wouldn't be betting that they will all stay healthy this year. While I agree that Lester could do better this year, do you really think Beckett will pitch to the same ERA in 2012. BTW Clear your pm mailbox. I am trying to reply to your questions about Fort Myers.
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I'll send you the PMs that he sent to me under his prior identity which I have mentioned before that I have saved because they were so over the top. A few of his favorite phrases which he continues to use are peppered throughout. I am convinced that UN is Dutchy until someone can establish conclusively otherwise.
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If you have proof of UN's true identity, I'd be interested to hear it.
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Only Dutchy goes on ignore. If he's Dutchy, he'll out himself.
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I am bored and in the mood to post a silly poll to pass the time. It seems that we have a consensus that we would all like to get an additional established starting pitcher. The question is whether we will get one and when.
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I won't panic, but I will be disappointed.
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So he can drive up Ortiz's arbitration award? No thanks.
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I think we have the makings of a rare consensus on TalkSox-- that we need another established starter. Ben Cher, take not. We can't all be wrong.
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No argument with this. I'd rather have Doubront in the pen as a swing man with Bard in the rotation to start the season. If Bard bombs in the rotation, then i try Doubront.
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I love Bailey's stuff, but I hate the recurring elbow issues and that can't go more than 40 innings. I don't see Albers and Melancon replacing Aceves and Bard.
