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700---Admittedly I AM paranoid about those two winding up on the Red Sox again this season, so those who accuse me of that are right on the mark. However, I've seen this before with them not having a contract or an offer from any other team and somehow winding up back on the team. When they were given an invite to go to ST it opened the door for both of them to show up and create more confusion---and unlike Posada of the Yankees who was classy enough to read the tea leaves and decide to retire these two will not. Wastefield wants that record and Varitek wants that paycheck; both have surrendered whatever pride they once had. If this doesn't come to pass you can bet I will eat humble pie and do a mea culpa that will satisfy everyone, but, again, they should never have been issued an invite. The Red Sox make these kinds of mistakes over and over. First it was offering Ortiz arbitration on the belief he wouldn't accept it when most of us here knew he would. Now they are gambling Varitek and Wakefield will decide to reture rather than show up for an uncertain future, and they are most likely wrong. They will show up and I still believe one or both of them will some way worm their way on to the team this year. Again, if I'm wrong on this you will get my sincere apology while I wipe the egg off of my face. I would much rather do that than say I told you all so and see these two guy pollute the ballclub for another year...or two...or three.

I want to hear that both players are unconditionally released PERIOD!!!!!!!!! Anything less than that keeps the door open and that open door has led to those two being let in for the past three seasons when both should have been cashiered and sent into retirement---and they would have been if the Red Sox had not buckled and signed them both again. They received exactly NO offers from any other team each and every time they became free agents.

How about so they keep a plac open for sacred cow Jason Putritek? All the front office has to do is demand t hat Valentine put that bum on the roster and then either release or trade Salty. Then there would be the excuse that we just had to put that over the hill bum on the team. As ridiculous as that sounds, I put nothing past those *******s running our front office. Lucchino is a duplicitious son of a bitch and by now we should all be aware of how much they nurture their sacred cows. Varitek is not gone by any stretch of the imagination.

EX1, you and so many others mention that if we would won this game or that game, or that series or whatever we would have made it.....then what? One and out? Jog your memory back to ST. We lost 12 games in a row and before you say ST losses don't count in the standings, I agree, but they're losses anyway and a large number of losses can and often does create a culture of losing---and that is exactly what happened when the season opened. We played listless, uninspiring baseball and lost our f irst six games in a row, ten of the first 12. In my opinion a culture of losing embedded itself in the team, and as anyone who has played or coached sports can attest to, losing becomes a habit and it becomes comfortable one because it doesn't much effort. In blunt terms, THE BOSTON RED SOX WERE NOT PREPARED EITHER PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY FOR THE START OF THE 2011 SEASON. We also had another losing streak after we recovered if you remember that. The collapse in September may have surprised you but it didn't people like Muggah, Pumpsie, IPOT and myself. We saw it coming and we took what happened in ST as a clue as what might go down. This Spring we must try to win at least half our games, get the pitchers in top physical shape and come into the regular season in the right mental frame of mind. All three of these things were missing in 2011. A good sign is that the culprit responsible for it is now unemployed in baseball and we have a manager who will tolerate this kind of s*** from the team.

No 700, don't you believe this for a second. This chapter is most definitely not closed. If Prune Face or Lucchinoturd order BV to give those two bums a shot in ST, Valentine either has to comply or risk his job by defying his bosses. Either way it opens up a whole can of worms---and, besides, I'm starting to worry that he wants to manage so badly that he would surrender his independence so he could keep his job. I remember all those stories late in 2008 when Putritek was still without a contract and the word was he had played his last game with the Red Sox. I didn't believe it then and I sure and hell don't now. Valentine has to make it abundantly clear he doesn't want these two, doesn't need these two, and their presence will be nothing more than a distraction to a team that already has more of this than they can endure. Just say so Bobby; tell them those two to hit the road Jack and don't come back no more, no more, no more, no more, hit the road Jack and don't you come back no more.

700---If you remember Epstein said about a week before the trading deadline that he kind of liked our team the way it was and said he envisioned no real moves by the TD. It was then that I started wondering where his mind was----we needed a couple of decent pitchers at the least. Now we know that we was looking for the gate that would take him out of Boston. His total abandonment of Francona the last two months made him AWOL from the everyday running of the Red Sox and now we know why. His performance for the last few years were miserable but more importantly t he last two months last season were almost criminal. You mentioned three pitchers who would have been a whole hell of a lot better than Bedard, Weiland and Wastefield, but these were the guys we trooped out there along with Lackey. What astounds me is that the front office seems totally blase about our collapse last season and is doing little in the way of showing us they really want to win this year. Maybe my pal Pumpsie is right---maybe they've already thrown in the towel for 2012 The rotten bastards.

User, there are times I can get pretty negative myself as you and others probably know, but in my bones I want to be upbeat and optimistic, the way I always was when I coached baseball many years ago. It is just that what we're seeing now doesn't give too much hope for the immediate future. I remember very well two bridge years already, 2006 and 2010---one led to a WS Title, the other led to a disaster. I just don't think we should pack it in and start calling off this year without giving a good account of ourselves. That means Henry must put winning and the fans first and do all he can to get us up to speed and if that means going over the LT to get a solid starter and another good reliever, so be it. He is supposed to be in this business for two reasons and two reasons only and that is to make money and to win. He'll make his money; he's a good businessman. It's his commitment to winning that I am having some doubts about right now. No, I won't jump off a 12 story building or anything like that but the thought of us coming up empty for a fifth year in a row is very hard to take.

Speaking of ******** iortiz get a load of this. In 2010 Epstein said that was going to be a bridge year to 2011 when all should turn out blue skies and green lights. Well the bunch of us have already gone through those bridge years in 2006 and 2010 and I for one are up to my eyeballs in that crap. We've had four y ears of nothing in a row and another one is just too tough and hateful to contemplate. Prune Face Henry is a billionaire; he has he means to put out the money to upgrade the team and if he isn't he should pack up and get the hell out. His sole motivation should be to win. If it is just profits and money in the till he ought to go into gold, municipal bonds, oil or the drug trade. What a putz our front office is turning out to be.

I've known Pumpsie for years on these boards and also met him in person, took in a game with him and broke bread with him and a friend. I'll tell you this...he knows what the hell he's talking about. Digest this: He was one of a very small and I mean small hand few of people who accurately predicted the collapse of the Red Sox last September. Did you? Did anyone else on this board save Muggah and one other guy predict that? Take 95% of what he says to the bank.

It was a stupid decision and many of us here knew if we offered arbitration to Ortiz he would snap it up. Why didn't Cherington? Because he is a dumb s***, no matter how much cover some of you want to give him and put all the blame on Lucchino and Prune Face. Now Benny the Boob, you give Ortiz A ONE f***IN' YEAR CONTRACT AND NO OPTION AND GET LAVARNWAY'S ASS IN THE LINEUP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. If Ortiz gets off to a rotten start this season this is going to end very ugly. Mark my words.:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

BRAVO JUNG!!!!!!!! One of the best posts I've read in over a month. Way to go!!!!!! The fact is that Nitwit Neil isn't even a Red Sox fan so why play that piece of s*** song? It adds nothing to the game and is an invitation for the pink hats and rumpsawbs who will swallow anything the front office tells them to enjoy themselves even if the Sox go down in flames. Here we are inviting Jason the Useless Stiff Putritek back for another season of ineptness while we labor for some decent pitching additions that would at least give us a ghost of a chance to compete for something this season. Are we just going to concede what the Yankees did without a counter move of our own. Screw you Lucchino and Cherington; you both a f***in' disgrace to the Red Sox.

No matter how you slice it my friends, today was a miserable day for Red Sox fans and to think I celebrated it wearing my new Red Sox Nation shirt my wife got me yesterday. If I didn't love the team so much I would tear it off and burn it. Just think what the Yankees did. They added two starters to their rotation in one swoop; they now can put Burnett and Hughes in the pen, a helluva lot better situation that we have. What have we done? I can call it on Cheringpuke now. He is not big enough for the job; he is not only a procrastinating dufus but inept in every sense of the word. We can only hope now that Prune Face sells the team and a new owner's first order of business is to change the locks on Lucchinturd and Cheringpuke's office and tell them to get the hell out of Dodge. I am in a rage right now.

The verdict is in.....Cherington is a cheringpuke, pure and simple. He hasn't he ability or the guts to make a tough decision and his performance this winter has been nothing short of crappy. As some of us kept repeating over and over again, those prices for pitchers were not coming down. And they didn't. If we want Oswalt we are going to have to pay for it, but Cheringpuke hasn't the guts to tell Lucchino and Henry to fork over some money so he doesn't look like the complete boob he probably is. Cherries, you suck!!!! And you actually be worse than Epstein....if that is possible.

Again with due respect ********!!!!!!!! Varitek will be on the team and if they have to cut Shoppach or trade Satalamacchia to do it they will. Only Valentine stands in the way and if he has the courage and guts I think he has he is our hope that these two bums will not be on the team. If he stands down I will lose all respect for him and those two will be on the ball club. Enough is enough, these two have to go.

It can hurt like hell NB... The Red So are not the Yankees and as soon at Putrtek arrives along with Wastefield the front office will feel obligated to find a reason to put these two bums on the team. Some reasons? 1. The team has a winning record when Putritek catches. Of course, he catches the best pitchers, but how about the fact that he can't throw out his grandmother and is the worst hitter in baseball after June? Shoppach would be released so their sacred cow can be on the team. 2. Wakefield can get the Red Sox all time winning record and we'd rather have him get it than keep it in the hands of the drug user----even though it took about ten tries for this piece of puke to get that 200th one last season. Think we could have used those five or six wins we didn't get because Francona and Epstein put Wakefield ahead of the team....and, oh yes, he's an innings eater.

He will be included too....make book on that. BTW, you can ask my collegues from the other board that also post here now. I predicted the collapse of the Red Sox last year. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone else but I have an ability to see these things. On July 26th last, I said the Red Sox had it in them to go into the tank again (another losing streak) and this time it would be a total collapse. If I could predict that I can predict with some assuredness that Wastefield will be back. Both of them bums will and we will be a lot worse for it. It makes no sense and it is pejorative to the well being of the Red Sox that these two duds don our uniform this season.

I never doubted this for a minute 700 and told any one here and elsewhere to those willing to listen to me---and that is why the Yankees win and we suck wind. They let go of Bernie Williams, a stalwart for them for many years, when he no longer could do the job. They recently said adios to Posada who chose retirement. Not Lizardturd Lucchino or Prune Face Henry though. No, they have to keep their sacred cows around even though they aren't worth a piece of dog s*** anymore. Now you know both will be on the roster, taking two important spots that could be used for players who could help us. Does anyone if their friggin' right mind think those two bums can help us this year. Varitek (Putritek on another board and maybe here now) and Wasteflood were not offered a contract by any other team, yet they are good enough to get one from the Red Sox? How fu@@in' dumb is that? And you know damn well that both will demand playing time, Weakflood to go after that God Damn record and Putritek to make some money that he has gotten used to getting. This team will never t urn the corner until these two are jettisoned and it looks like once again we will have to watch these two pukes gum up the works for our team. You can bet you last dime I will be all over these two like smell on sh!t the rest of the year because that is exactly what they are.

If you hide the booze under lock and key and have the white coats standing by ready for what might take place, IMO Padilla is a better gamble than those bums Cherry Pie signed recently. As 700 said Short Order Cook can't break a pane of glass, Haeger slacks is a NL reject and a knuckleballer to boot, Duetschland Germano is a proven failure on two continents, Carlos Hi Ho Silva has spent more time eating than pitching effectively, and I don't know why the hell some posters keep saying that Millstone Millbum will be effective out of the bullpen or as a fifth starter. That guy has no control and stinks to high heaven. Padilla at least can bring it and it tough out there that he will not let the hitters take advantage of him. Those other guys are Dumpster Dipshits and the sooner we all accept that the sooner we can move on to suggest things that might actually help us this year.

IMO Francona used to cost the Red Sox 10-12 games a year with his miserable field managing. That may seem high to some of you but a couple of my colleagues here traced games the past five or six years and it was so. Those 10-12 games will not be lost this year because of manager malfeasance and we might win seven or eight of those games with a manager whose strength is game strategy. True also that our medical staff was an unmitigated disaster and ditto for our conditioning team and that ought to improve as well. That could mean better times for the Red So---IF WE CAN GET THAT GOOD NO. 4 STARTER and another good reliever. I know where were a lot of Franconians on this board as on others, but in the dugout we are a helluva lot better this coming year than we were in the past.