I don't understand why your arguing about this, do you think im dissing the A's? or what? Anyway, I wasn't im fact I was applauding them in both of my posts there as you can see, and i wasnt saying that their whole team was cheap 300 thou players I was saying that they had few expensive players becuase they had to keep their payroll in the 55 -60 mill range as they have the past 2 seasons. Basically Macha has put them in contention this season with a) no Tim Hudson or Mark Mulder, No Tejada, and a team that has scored under 800 runs the past 2 seasons, and c) 2 rookies in his bullpen in which hes molded them into quality relievers. Now put Tito in that situation and see what he would do. All I'm saying is that is a great accomplishment for an orginaztion to do this with so little.