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Youd rather see the abomination that is Nick Green with a glove? Or has Lowries .174/.160/.551 (since return) really blown you away. What offensive prowess there, yeah Scutaros career averages are much worse than that line.

Give me a break.

Well, it was a good month and a half. Good luck with that big huge contract you are looking for. With this economy, I am not sure what the going rate is for a .250 hitter, under 30 homers, under 100 RBIS, big time whiffing slugger. If you continue this decline, you will be lucky to get a 3 year deal. What an absolutely horrific June/July. Hit .211 5 homers, 25 RBIS, 56 K's in 175 AB's, 8 doubles. Sounds like a 18M/5 year deal to me. Gross.

You believe that? Ill believe that at 1600 2morrow

Your missing the point. Thats what I am saying. We all hope that someone comes along and breaks all those records who is clean, right now that person is Pujols, but he will disappoint all of us, just like everyone else has.

I want this deal to get done. Buccholz, Bowden, MDC, Lars Anderson, Reddick and Lowrie for Halladay and Scutaro. If they want to be blown away, blow them the f*** away. I would much rather the opportunity at 2 WS titles, than watching these prospects maybe, maybe develop into good major leaguers. If we dont do it, we prob dont win a WS and our window of WS titles begins to close as we wait for these prospects to develop. We arent the Oakland A's, we dont have to put all of our hope in to prospects turning out good and keeping them at low costs until they hit the market. The Jury is out on them, all of them (cept MDC).....trade them for the best pitcher in baseball, and a SS who is an upgrade and fix to major holes in our ballclub.

Anyone watching this s*** on ESPN right now, im gunna rip my f***in TV off the wall, calling the f***in championships tainted. f*** you assclowns, every single title since 1986 is tainted then, since every f***in team had someone who did something they weren't supposed to. f*** them.

The worst thing about this whole ordeal, is that we are hoping one day, a clean guy re-writes the record books, and one guy is on his way to doing that, but one day he will also be on the list, Pujols.

They need to do something similar to what they did in 2004. I am not sure they have any big need, I think they have a multiple of smaller problems which can be fixed in smaller moves, however a larger deal/along with smaller deals could solve major problems. If they acquire Halladay, all of their rotation problems are fixed with a surplus remaining to round out the rotation, especially in a playoff series when you only need 3 starters (Halladay, Beckett, Lester). They need a SS. Lowrie wont cut it, they need a SS. In a Halladay move, it could maybe net us Scutaro, with Lowrie going to Toronto. They have found their solution to spell Lowell, Laroche can provide some offense with Youk going to third. I think at this point, Green needs to go, and they need to find a utility inf who can play all of the infield positions adequate defensively. They need an outfielder who can play all three OF positions, and bring them some speed, someone like Juan Pierre who has seen his appearances diminish since Manny has returned. In summary: Halladay and Scutaro to Boston, the usual suspects and Lowrie to Toronto. Green leaving, bringing in an INF who can play 2B, SS, 3B Juan Pierre for a couple mid-level guys. C Varitek/Bard 1B Youkilis/Laroche 2B Pedey, util inf SS Scutaro/until inf 3B Lowell/Youk/util inf LF Bay/Pierre CF Ellsbury/Pierre/Baldelli RF Drew/Baldelli/Pierre DH Ortiz/Laroche Bench: Bard Baldelli Pierre Laroche Util Inf Rotation: Halladay Beckett Lester Wakefield Penny/Smoltz I think they could reasonably get this done.

ouch, post stomp.

7/31/08 Sent OF Manny Ramirez to the Los Angeles Dodgers; Acquired OF Jason Bay from the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for RHP Craig Hansen and OF Brandon Moss. 7/31/07 Traded RHP Joel Pineiro and cash considerations to the St. Louis Cardinals for a player to be named later; Acquired of Eric Gagne from the Texas Rangers in exchange for LHP Kason Gabbard, nonroster OF David Murphy and nonroster OF Engel Beltre. Say what you want about Gagne in hindsight, it was a big move. 11/24/05 Acquired RHP Josh Beckett, 3B Mike Lowell and RHP Guillermo Mota from the Marlins in exchange for SS Hanley Ramirez, RHP Anibal Sanchez, RHP Jesus Delgado and RHP Harvey Garcia. 7/31/04 Acquired SS Orlando Cabrera from the Montreal Expos and 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Minnesota Twins. Sent SS Nomar Garciaparra, OF Matt Murton and cash considerations to the Cubs. Acquired OF Dave Roberts from the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for Triple-A OF Henri Stanley. 7/31/03 Acquired RHP Jeff Suppan, RHP Brandon Lyon and RHP Anastacio Martinez from the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for INF Freddy Sanchez, LHP Mike Gonzalez and cash considerations. Suppan didnt work out, but it looked good on paper. 7/30/02 Acquired OF Cliff Floyd from the Expos in exchange for minor league pitchers Sun Woo Kim and Seung Song and a player to be named later. 6/23/02 Acquired LHP Alan Embree and minor league LHP Andy Shibilo from the San Diego Padres in exchange for minor league RHP Brad Baker and minor league RHP Dan Giese; placed INF Calvin Pickering, recovering from right quadriceps surgery, on the 60-day DL. 7/31/01 Ugueth Urbina: Acquired RHP Ugueth Urbina from Montreal in exchange for RHP Tomo Ohka and minor league LHP Rich Rundles. ughhh, they make quite a few.

I dont think the Sox leaked it. Toronto wants to deal with the Phillies first and foremost, they leaked it to make PHI sweeten their deal.

I doubt it has anything to deal with any impending deal. If something were that close to getting done, I doubt Buchholz would be making the start tonight, assuming he will be part of ANY deal that gets done.

Mark Kotsay is the guy in the deal for Anderson. CHI gets Kotsay BOS gets Anderson

Dont get your hopes up:

Any way of getting a side by side graph to show windup-stretch?

Is that combined stretch and windup?

Look, Im not saying hes junk or nothing, but hes certainly no Phil Hughes. Hes good, I know hes good, I dont want him to go, but I think his only role right now is RHH reliever. That is not a knock or anything, since hes damn good at it. The original conversation/debate was about his trade value and I dont think it is as high as others see it. That is not taking anything away from him....hes just not a prospect like Buchholz or Bowden in terms of trade value.

Maybe his arm angles are still f***ed up from last season when they were screwing around with his mechanics. His windup seems to look like it did, maybe he still hasnt fixed his stretch mechanics?

Pedro was kinda similar, he was quiet with his step back and leg lift, but his arm motion was pretty violent. Prob has something to do with their body types. EDIT: just noticed you mentioned Pedro haha

Ahhhhh, well actually....Phil Hughes has dominated in the minor leagues as a SP. Masterson has not, in fact his only dominating season was in the low A ball, and he was.......what? oh yeah a reliever. As a starting pitcher in the minors Masterson has been EXTREMELY average, while Hughes has been DOMINANT. Bad comparison. Mastersons Baseball Cube page: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Justin-Masterson.shtml

Lowes splits are actually reversed this year, and not as bad as you think over his career. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=lowede01&year=Career&t=p Webbs splits against LH arent horrific either. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=webbbr01&year=Career&t=p Mastersons splits are pretty significant this season. Lefties are hitting .315 against him with a .374 OBP. Thats pretty bad.

I agree with almost all of this, well stated.

As the second major piece in a deal for A-GON? Your dreaming. They will value him yes, but as the 3rd or 4th piece of a trade, not as one of the top two starting points. You are missing the point, his trade value is low, bc he doesnt have a defined role, bc we havent found one for him yet, so that means a team dealing with us could say his value is lower than it really is, bc they see him as a middle reliever than a starter. In addition, do you really see his future as a SP given his his splits as a reliever?