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Yea i've been watching.

No, it wasnt a major cable service. It was a local one. Local for where? I dont remember. I'll tyr to find it again for you. In New York, I would bet my life that YES is more popular than the Discovery Channel.

You're right, I dont know very much about the cable system, nor do I care to. I was posting with what I remember from the incident when it was going on. Most of what I said is pretty accurate. There was big financial conflict, not because Dolan and the other heads at Cablevision wanted to give their subscribers a choice, but because they were trying to profit off of the Yankees. Correct, either way, the fan is going to have to pay, but making it a premium channel would allow Cablevision to keep a larger percentage of the money brought in by YES. And regardless of if it were basic or premium, MANY, MANY, and possibly most people in the area would have subscribed. It has nothing to do with Cablevision trying to be good to their customers, it had to do with the trying to stick YES the year after the Yankees decided to leave MSG. The same thing is going on with the Mets and SNY right now. I notice you edited a bunch out of this post. Last night when I saw it there was more to it. I had written a long reply, but my computer froze before I was able to post it.

A) I did in fact go and check it out before posting that Discovery is a Basic Cable station. Maybe most cable companies dont offer it on Basic, but one does for sure (dont remember which one. I typed in basic cable on google, was brought to a cable company's website, and it said something like "our basic cable package includes ESPN, Discovery, ..............". I wouldnt have posted otherwise) ALso, no need to post the link, nobody was denying that YES was a Basic station. However, if you dont like the Discovery example, perhaps John Doe only likes to watch ABC, and NEVER watches Fox. Is he being unfairly taxed because he'll never watch it? Right, Vinny said that it was demanding as well. That's why they've changed the rules and it is required that you are completely devoted to the show and station.

Conference Tournament winners play in Regional Tournaments. Winners of those play in Super Regionals. WInners of those advance to the World Series. I enjoy College Baseball as well, and wish it got more media attention/exposure. Maybe after the NCAA Basketball Tourney the college sports stations (CSTV, ESPNU) will start to show some Baseball.

Trying to find out for ya, no luck so far.

Curious. How does a New Yorker like yourself end up rooting for the damn Red Sox? c'mon man. You coulda at least been a Mets fan.

Ahh..I know we discussed this before. But I forget the discussion lol..so i'll just re-state my initial thought to that post: Wow, really? Dave seemed to be the most psyched and energetic person on the show. Seemed like he loved it. I mean, from my point of view, where I hold successful pitchers to a hugher standard, they were bad. But in general, held to regular standards, they really werent that bad. They were decent. I'm sure that there are some teams who were in contention up until about September the last few years, who fell apart in September, who would have loved to have Mussinawith the year he would have been having, just because he was better than some of the guys they already had and he possibly could have carried them over the top. I'm not really sure what you were looking for me to say. Is this kinda what you wanted, mastre?

You're mistaken. There is competition for cable in NY. Cablevision and Time Warner. In fact, when YES launched, Cablevision wanted to carry YES as a premium network (dont remember all of the details) so that they could profit off of it, because they knew it would be popular. YES refused to allow Cablevision to YES because they didnt want to limit fan access, or make fans have to pay more, and because they didnt want Cablevision to profit off of the Yankees. The people who own Cablevision are also the same people who own MSG, the Knicks, Rangers, FSN NY, and MSG Network. YES was launched after the contract between the Yankees and MSG Network expired. By making YES a premium network, Cablevision would still be profitting off of the Yankees, despite not having a contract with them. The Yanks didnt like that. And I disagree with the unfairly taxed thing. The Discovery Channel is offered in Basic Cable. Some people want nothing to do with the Discovery Channel. Does that mean they're being unfairly taxed? No.

1) I didnt contradict myself at all here. 2) You dont think mediocre describes their performance? I sure do. Even with the stats you provided 3) I didnt say they would WANT to trade him. I said I wouldnt be SURPRISED if he was traded/shoped. 4) You are right. I didnt explain enough here. I hold Mussina, based on his history and experience, to higher standards than other pitchers (same with guys like Clemens, Pettitte, Schilling, Colon, Oswalt, Santana, Johnson, Schmidt, etc). To me Bad for them = Mediocre for others. Others including the guys I listed. My fault here, bad communication.

lol yea. One thing is for sure. If he's ever doing an autograph signing in the area (which he does from time to time through Steiner Sports), and I attend, I am definately gonna make sure my younger sister is not with me. I dont know the reasons, and I dont have the numbers in front of me or anything. But (and correct me if i'm wrong) WEEI is really the only good sports station in Boston (I believe they have others up there, but nothing good). In New York, because its such a huge market and there are so many people, we have 2 major sports stations (in addition to several small ones who do sports as well). Just a thought. That might have something to do with it. Unfairly taxed?

lol. Why not Days Inn? (Not that I would ever plan to stay there. If I were to go to Tampa I would stay at the Raddison, owned by George Steinbrenner. And plus, thats where all the players (except the ones who have residences in Tampa, like Jeter, Sheffield, etc.) stay during ST.

I guess I should head over to that thread than. I am trying to avoid posting in there though, I dont like talking politics with people I dont know, very touchy topic for some. But i'll check otu what you said. ..and yea, you're probably right about Tampa. But i'm sure i'll find something to do if I go before i'm 21.

You're mistaken. Polonia idnt get a Yankeeography. You might have been watching Tales of Triumph: 2000 World Series. And I agree, Yankeeography isnt meaty enough, its half the athlete-documentary show that SportsCentury is. But i'll still watch it from time to time to see what they have. But it's certainly not my favorite one. And I agree with you on Mike and the Mad Dog. However, when im just staying home one day, and just sitting on the couch with nodthing to do its nice to put it on rather than get up and turn the radio on and whatnot. But I could definately live with some more Yankee-orinted programming for those 5 hours. but another thing Mike and the Mad Dog being on YES does is it increases the audience. It provides WFAN with a National audience (kinda. Anybody with DirecTV or access to YES can watch it). I wasnt wrong though. You admitted it yourself. They were having mediocre seasons and were traded to a team that was willing to take a risk on them and hopefullly push them over the top. I dont believe I was wrong. I wasnt arguing or defending anything here.

No 60 year olds will be playing on those fields, thats all I care about. And Tampa is a pretty good city, not too many old people. I imagine I could have fun in Tampa. I guess Fort Myers is a different story however.

Are you from NY or did you move here?

Fort Myers? Cool, have fun at Spring Training. I always wanted to go.

Ranked #1 Regional SPorts Network in the Nation. I wouldnt call that s*****. You live in South Africa. How would you know anyways? YES' Ultimate Road Trip is a show where they pick 4 Yankee fans and send them to all 162 Yankee games. Its a reality show and they go on missions and do all types of cool stuff. Due to some problems last year with the cast members and their personal lives and whatnot YES is changing the rules a little bit this year. The 4 contestants have to live in a house together and be able to get off of work for the duration of the seaosn. Basically they have to devote themselves to YES and the show to avoid conflict. I like the show, and would LOVE to go on it in a future season.

I dont think that not looking up those guys stats before using them as examples as mediocre pitchers who were traded to a team who was willing to take a risk on them is putting a foot in my mouth. I dont understand why people cant just have general baseball conversation. If i just throw some thoughts out there and just talk baseball without going and looking up all the stats, im being an unintelligent person who just talks out of his ass. I'm not the president delivering a specch regarding a particular topic nor am I a baseball reporter who is writing a column or anything. Im justa guy talking baseball. I look up stats and whatnot when I feel necessary, but I have no problem just posting my opinions and whatnot. Forgive me guys for having different posting philosophies than you, but thats just how I feel. If I felt the need to practically do research before each and every post I would be up 24/7.

I agree with everything you say (except maybe Duque outperforming Moose, but maybe.), im just saying that I think there will be a team willing to take the risk on him. Nobody would probably want to take all of his contract, but I could see him having a below average-mediocre season and a team in need of pitching that cant seem to pull off a deal for another good pitcher showing interest in Moose. However, we can agree to disagree I suppose. But regarding Minaya and not going after Mussina. I can definately see Omar making a move, or at least making a run at Moose. I dont think it's likely or anything, but its definately not unfathomable. Especially if the Met's starters arent doing good. IDK man, I guess it's just me, but I cant see teams passing up a guy with as much experience and success as Mussina. But like I said, agree to disagree I suppose.

Man, go f*** off. I dont "talk out of my ass." I just dont feel that looking up stats before EVERY post is required to post on a baseball forum. God forbid I just throw some thought around. This isnt that serious. You take it way more serious that it is. Relax man. Go Pirates!

Wow, I cant believe you went and looked all of that up. I should have, but I just thought of those names off the top of my head. But yea, I guess you got me with those numbers. But its not like they were doing GREAT when they got traded, they were doing so-so. But I mean, I seriously have to believe some team would be willing to take a risk on him if the Yanks want to dump him if he's not doing so hot or something.

Well its nice to see that im in second place...but it's f***ing ******** that i'm out!! I feel like smacking Adam Morrison's dirty sanchez mustache right off of his face.

Yea seriously. I dont care if the Yankees traded away Derek Jeter, i'd still want the guy(s) we got in return to do great.

I bet he misses the almighty Jason Varitek.