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Good one.

I think he does a fairly decent job. Regarding non-baseball topics he is a little off sometimes as most of his knowledge is on baseball. However he does his fair share of keeping up with the rest of the sports world due to his job at 1050 (ESPN RADIO), where he has one of the highest rated radio shows in the NY market.

Jery Remy can be bisaed and everything is ok, but you guys bash Kay because you THINK he is being biased (which trust me, he isnt)? ..Well actually Fred Hickman doesnt work for YES anymore. However, if Bob Lorenz said that the Red Sox suck, I wouldnt be pleased one bit. Here in Yankeeland we are nowheres near as obsessed with you guys as you are with us. If Lorenz, or anybody else associated with the Network said that I would be angry at the unprofessionalism. YES is a very professional network and that is something that would never happen. OK, so my biased opinions are invalid. Now tell that to every Sox fan who praises the work of Jerry Remy and Don Orsillo.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/72/B0417200.html http://www.wordreference.com/definition/boughten http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=boughten ehh, Owned much?

Got a little confusing there. I accidentially posted the thread twice, so I went into one of them and edited the post to "Double Post, sorry.....". but I guess at the same time a mod deleted the other one. No problem, corrected everything.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/64346.htm Appearantly 4 Minor Leaguers have tested positive. Ryan Rafferty - Kansas City Waner Mateo - Mets *Ramon Ramirez - Reds Justin Mallet - Reds * I'm not positive if this is the same Ramo Ramirez, but I believe it is. There was a Ramon Ramirez in the Yankees organization for several years. In fact he started the season in Columbus last year before going off to Tulsa and the Rockiess' organization. Later in the year he was off to Dayton, the Single A affiliate of the Reds. He was a part of the Shawn Chacon deal, I remember for sure. I just dont remember how he ended up in the Red's system after that. Also important for me to note, but only Rafferty, Mateo, and Ramirez were suspended for performance enhancers. Mallet was suspended for another drug. Marijuana I would guess.

Oh I didnt see the video. I was under the assumption that this was done with the new GAmecube Baseball video game. Oops.

I understand the frustration coming from some of the Sox fans with this deal. However, there is no way you dont pull the trigger on it given the circumstances. The Red Sox needed to part ways with a pitcher or two, just for roster purposes. In return for a number 4 starter they received a flawed outfielder with ALL the potential in the world. If/When Pena turns it up and fashions himself into the ballplayer he is expected to be, everyone doubting this trade will be singing a different song. There is no way this trade cant be made. And also, not that it was a factor when the trade was made, but ORS brought up a good point. Two outfielders are down already ( and dont think I dont have a huge grin on my face, ear to ear). Without Pena who plays Right Field with Stern in Center? Who can you call up? Brandon Moss? With his age and potential, this is a no brainer for the Sox. If everything goes as expected you hve the Right Fielder for possibly the next 8 years.

No statements have been issued. George is smart enough to know that 3-4 starts arent that big a deal. You guys on the other hand dont realize that.

Defintely. Maybe if they know a thing or two they can teach the Sox fans they get assigned to

If thats what it takes for you guys then is it completely out of the realm of possibility to think that Clippard, Mitch Jones, and Shelley Duncan with some cash thrown into the mix could get it done for us?

No s***. Thats the basis of my arguement. That despite there being a fire sale, these players have value and cant just be had for nothing. I said: You said: So basically you said that a fire sale means we can just walk up and take for NOTHING. So sarcastically I questioned why anybody gave up anyting at all to get the Marlins' players. I think you guys just didnt realize my sarcasm.

But hey, if fire sale means we can walk up and take what we want then why give anything away?

Oh god. Here we go again with the Yankees spending arguement. Stop bitching about us having the highest payroll when you guys have the SECOND highest. I dont care if we spend $1 Billion more than you. Fact of the matter is that you guys are spending more than 28 other teams. Stop being hypocrites. Please, Stick's philosophy was not nearly as in depth as that of the Moneyball philosophy. Moneyball is pussy baseball. A practice whervalueable. Dont give e sacrifice bunts are a no-no and stealing is frowned upon. "27 outs. All of them any of them away."

Damn we got gyped then. We could have easily gotten Ron Villone for nothing than. Why did we give up Ben Julianel? And why on earth did the briefly discussed Lo Duca deal fall through? And the even better question, if all these guys that were gotten rid of during the fire sale could have just been gotten for nothing, why the hell did the Mets trade away all that talent for Delgado and Lo Duca?? Those sneaky Marlins.

So are you saying that the Yankees could have walked up to the Marlins and said "Hey, give us Lowell and Mote for absolutely nothing and we'll call it a fair trade." I dont think so. As I recall we've been in the playoffs 11 straight seasons. In that time we've won 4 World Championships, and two additional pennants. We dont use that system.

You are right. And I still dont think it was a very good pickup. And I still stand by my post that you quoted. Fact of the matter is that He won a gold glove and the price that was paid for Beckett, Lowell, and Mota wouldnt have been the same if it were just for Beckett.

Are you saying that they could have been had for absolutely nothing. Just simply their contract? Mark Prior was coming off of a horrible year. However I remember Miguel Tejada's name being thrown around in Mark Prior discussions. Having a bad year doesnt mean that your value has disappeared.

Well its good to know that you have played. What I dont understand then is why you dont understand what baseball is all about. Yes, in the front office sky boxes, baseball is business. But at 7 a.m. in the sweltering Arizona and Florida heat in the middle of February, or in the blistering cold surroudned by snowflakes in early April, or the 100 degree weather of July, and especially the cold of October, Baseball is about love and emotion. Managers (well, not all managers) look at the numbers before throwing a pinch hitter in there, or bringing in a specific player from the bullpen. They can look over at the player and have a good feeling that the player will come through. I take statistics into consideration, but not to the degree that you guys do. I blame the whole philosphy that your team work by. The whole BS "moneyball" theory.

It cost you TWO top prospects to get Beckett, AND Lowell, AND Mota. Lowell and Mota are, at the top of their game, two VERY VERY good players. Dont even use the arguement about them being throw-ins because of health uncertainty. If that were the case then that means that they could have basically been had for nothing. We know that is not the case.

I', telling you, it wouldnt take both of those guys. Most likely one would have to be involved, but not both.

I dont. I think he's a stat geek who doesnt realize that in baseball, emotion and personalization far outweigh numerical statistics. I would be interested in knowing the extent to which he played baseball too, because if he played at any competitive level he would realize that.

I wasnt saying specifically that Clippard was better than Lester, I was just throwing hypotheticals out there. Again, I was just throwing hypotheticals out there. My entire post was based on hypothetical circumstances. I'm not claiming that the Marlins like Clippard better than Lester or anything. All i'm saying is that we are not in their heads or in contact with there scouts. We dont know every single player that they hold in high regard. And yes, about the Willis wanting to pitch in NY thing not mattering. You are correct. However you are also extremely textbook. Maybe the General Manager and Dontrelle Willis have a good relationship and he would like to help out Dontrelle and honor his wishes as to where he wants to play. Again, hypothetical, but makes sense. People do make decisions based on things like that.

Good stuff. Havent boughten a Gamecube game in QUITE A WHILE, but I might have to go out and get this one.

Yeah right, it wouldnt take that much. ....as for the whole Clippard issue; What you idiots fail to realize is that our talent is in the LOWER LEVELS. Its fact that the top lower level prospects dont get ranked among the top upper level prospects. Clippard is one of the most well regarded pitching prospects in Single A. As are a lot of our Single A and Double A prospects. Read my post, Clippard, some (one or two) other lower level prospects, and some $$$. We could even send over a vet and pay most of the salary. I think we would be able to get that done. You people need to realize that there is a lot that goes into trades. How about the fact that Dontrelle has said that he would like to play in New York one day (Quite Frankly with Stephen A. Smith), the close relationship between people in the Marlins organization and the Yankees organization, and the cash factor. You arent in the Marlins' front office, and until you are I dont really care what you say teams would trade people for. Perhaps the MArlins have these evil people known as scouts. And perhaps they have some of these scouts in Charleston. And lets, just for kicks, say that they see things they like in some of our Charleston pitchers. Pros that they like, and cons that they think they can fix within their own organoization. Maybe the Marlins like Clippard BETTER than Lester. Despite what you guys may think, the Red Sox' view towards Yankee prospects isnt the view of the other 28 teams out there. Maybe the Marlins love what they see in Sean Henn, and think that the low pressure level of South Florida will help him blossom into a great pitcher. Maybe they call Cashman and say "Hey, how about you send us T.C. (Tyler Clippard), Henn, and maybe $3 or $4 Million and we can send you 'Trelle. He's gonna be hitting arbitration this offseason and we dont think we can pay him, however we know you guys can and we would have no problems exchanging him for two pitchers that we like a lot who are going to make nothing the next 5-6 years. Whaddya say? Joe (Girardi) has talked to Dontrelle about New York and it seems to really appeal to him. He would like to play there, we like your guys, and it works out financially. What do you think?" For all we know Loria and the other guys down in Miami could be having a lovefest with the likes of Tyler Clippard and Sean Henn. Maybe they just absolutely love Quezada or DeSalvo. Bottom line is WE DONT KNOW. So the comments you guys make are ridiculous. There have been trades that seemed more outragious than the one I proposed, and that happened to work out perfectly for both teams in the long run. s***, for all we know the Marlins could be in love with the number 5 starter down in Lowell, pitching for the Spinners and are interedtes in making a deal for him involving Willis. Maybe, just maybe (and I know this is going to hurt for you guys to see, because I know how you guys are of the belief that the Red Sox, in every aspect of Baseball as a sport, are superior than everybody else) the Marlins HATE Lester. Bottom line is we can speculate, and present our arguements, but we dont make the trades and pull the trigger on the big decisions. ...dont get me wrong, back down here on earth after my post, Tyler Clippard being the centerpiece of a deal for Willis is as likely as the Knicks winning the NBA Finals this year. Impossible. But we dont know who teams like and what they would want. We just dont.