8/27 Rays @ SOX 4:10PM ET

[Maxbialystock]

Dugo should be in LF, but Pham is currently in the way. He's too early in his career to be DH'ing. It's for old guys with slow bats

 

You mean Ortiz too?

 

Among Dugo, Kike, and Pham, I put Pham dead last because his defense is worse than Dugo's.

[moonslav59]

Dugo should be in LF, but Pham is currently in the way. He's too early in his career to be DH'ing. It's for old guys with slow bats

 

...and Pham has an option year for 2023, so again, we seem to have too many LF'ers and not enough quality OF'ers who can play solid D in CF and RF for 2023.

 

I'm not sure I view putting Dugo at DH as a good idea. I'd rather trade a LF'er than do that.

[Maxbialystock]

It might depend on the health of Hosmer, Nate and Houck.

 

If Hosmer looks far away, maybe we call up Casas, but the way Cordero & Dalbec seem to be showing signs of life, maybe not.

 

I'd like to see Wong called up, but if he doesn't play, why? (We could make room for another player by DFA'ing Plawecki. I doubt he re-signed for 2023, anyway, but he might be a good guy to keep around to help McGuire get acclimated to "the Sox way.")

 

I'd also like to see German called up, but it will probably be Wink, Ort or Nate, Danish or Houck activated.

 

We could see E Valdez, but where would he play, now that Story is back and Arroyo is on fire? DH? (We aren't benching JD.) Also, Valdez has been in a mini slump.

 

If I had to guess two, assuming nobody comes off the IL, soon, it would be Wong and Wink.

 

Well said except for the final point, bringing back Wong, a third catcher. I think he's a better fielder/thrower than Plawecki, but want Plawecki calling the pitches.

[moonslav59]

You mean Ortiz too?

 

Among Dugo, Kike, and Pham, I put Pham dead last because his defense is worse than Dugo's.

 

I think both Dugo and Pham are decent to plus defensive LF'ers, but neither should play CF or RF. I don't think either hit well enough to be a plus DH, either.

[Maxbialystock]

...and Pham has an option year for 2023, so again, we seem to have too many LF'ers and not enough quality OF'ers who can play solid D in CF and RF for 2023.

 

I'm not sure I view putting Dugo at DH as a good idea. I'd rather trade a LF'er than do that.

 

Actually, that notion was largely sarcasm. I'm pissed at Dugo's defense, but agree his bat helps--except that his overall WAR is a measly 0.5.

[moonslav59]

Well said except for the final point, bringing back Wong, a third catcher. I think he's a better fielder/thrower than Plawecki, but want Plawecki calling the pitches.

 

Who is your second guy over Wink?

 

Ort, Seabold, Valdez, Downs, German or Casas?

 

I'd take Wong and Casas, if Hosmer is done. German and Casas might really be my top choice, but I doubt they bring up German until 2023.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Actually, that notion was largely sarcasm. I'm pissed at Dugo's defense, but agree his bat helps--except that his overall WAR is a measly 0.5.

 

Fk WAR.

[moonslav59]

Actually, that notion was largely sarcasm. I'm pissed at Dugo's defense, but agree his bat helps--except that his overall WAR is a measly 0.5.

 

It's improving and has been better in recent years.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Listening to Paul Revere & The Raiders while watching game. IMHO, they should be in the R&R HOF. In fact, they should have been inducted a long time ago.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Kike!

[vegasbob]

Kike with a HR, but it wasn't very long . How can you pay him very much for shots like that bleeder ? ( Note: trying some misdirection here) Max and Moon, how much would you pay Kike for a presumed regular CF'er in 2023 , assuming he will want a 2 or 3 year deal?

[moonslav59]

Kike!

 

Makes me wonder where we'd be, now had Kike stayed healthy and came on strong in the second half, like last year.

 

Improved D.

 

Maybe more playing time for Refsnyder and not JBJ?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

He's out.

[moonslav59]

Kike with a HR, but it wasn't very long . How can you pay him very much for shots like that bleeder ? ( Note: trying some misdirection here) Max and Moon, how much would you pay Kike for a presumed regular CF'er in 2023 , assuming he will want a 2 or 3 year deal?

 

I'm not sure $27M/3 gets it done.

 

I might go $33-35M/3, maybe $40M/4.

 

(First impressions. I might change my mind.)

[vegasbob]

For all the ravings about Bloom's rebuild of this team, and the pending FA departures , there could be a crowded situation developing for 2023. It may open up some trade options over the winter .

 

Keep in mind that the Sox will need to decide on Pham( $6M salary vs $1.5M release price); Hosmer has his own option to decide on. His sore back isn't helping that, but if he stays with his SD originated contract, he is MLB minimum cost to Boston. ; No one mentions it and it may be a 1:1000 shot, but they could refigure Bogey's contract to add another $5 million/year through '26, ; Thinking of Hosmer , you have the dynamic Cordero/Dalbec twins being chased by Casas Duran is a chip with no fixed future. Jeter Downs is not likely to be a force. Plawecki is done making room for Wong, but is McGuire the go forward #1 catcher ? Or do we chase fan and clubhouse favorite Vazquez, lol ? What about Refsnyder ?? That is more chips to play with than existed in the recent past

 

Then the one person who will dominate all the discussions--Rafael Devers on a long term deal. Who says Bloom's job is easy ??

Edited August 27, 2022 by vegasbob

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

For all the ravings about Bloom's rebuild of this team, and the pending FA departures , there could be a crowded situation developing for 2023. It may open up some trade options over the winter .

 

Keep in mind that the Sox will need to decide on Pham( $6M salary vs $1.5M release price); Hosmer has his own option to decide on. His sore back isn't helping that, but if he stays with his SD originated contract, he is MLB minimum cost to Boston. ; No one mentions it and it may be a 1:1000 shot, but they could refigure Bogey's contract to add another $5 million/year through '26, ; Thinking of Hosmer , you have the dynamic Cordero/Dalbec twins being chased by Casas Duran is a chip with no fixed future. Jeter Downs is not likely to be a force. Plawecki is done making room for Wong, but is McGuire the go forward #1 catcher ? Or do we chase fan and clubhouse favorite Vazquez, lol ? What about Refsnyder ?? That is more chips to play with than existed in the recent past

 

Then the one person who will dominate all the discussions--Rafael Devers on a long term deal. Who says Bloom's job is easy ??

 

Great post, Vegas, but what are your feelings regarding Paul Revere & The Raiders not being in the R&R HOF?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Story hit that pretty deep fly to center with just his wrists. Of course, they're well-rested wrists. Edited August 27, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[vegasbob]

Great post, Vegas, but what are your feelings regarding Paul Revere & The Raiders not being in the R&R HOF?

 

I have seen Paul and the Raiders since they first went on TV shows and concerts in the 60's. The last time was on a Fremont St stage a few years ago in Las Vegas. Put them in the Hall, I agree and fully support their consideration

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I have seen Paul and the Raiders since they first went on TV shows and concerts in the 60's. The last time was on a Fremont St stage a few years ago in Las Vegas. Put them in the Hall, I agree and fully support their consideration

 

They were one of the few American rock bands that could compete with the British Invasion. And Mark Lindsay was a dynamic front man.

[vegasbob]

Probably a low likelihood of Ryan Brasier coming in for the 8th, maybe hold him for the 9th. I do acknowledge and appreciate that Brasier actually pitched well in 9 of last 12. He just didn't get anywhere last night in what could have been a horrendous blowup. Matt Barnes also needs his day off after 3 good to great sessions. Can he come back for 2023 ? Oh yeah, Matt's under contract for $7.5 million, so we'll be seeing him around, doubt his fluctuations will make him desirable trade bait .

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Excellent 7 innings by Mr Hill.

[vegasbob]

Did Dugo's DWAR go up on that sunplay in RF ?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Great catch by the guy who isn't good defensively according to Fking WAR.

[moonslav59]

71 strikes in 95 pitches for Rich Hill!

 

11 Ks out of 21 outs! (Only 3 hits and 1 BB)

 

His ERA is down to 4.32.

 

Nice Game!

[redsoxrules]

Great catch by the guy who isn't good defensively according to Fking WAR.

 

I'll admit he has been playing great in RF since he's moved there.

 

But you also have to admit he was s*** playing left field defense this year before the more to RF

[vegasbob]

I'm not familiar enough with Familia to comment on this weak 2 out effort to mess up Hill's shutout. Once again, when the reliever goes over 20 pitches, his effectiveness goes down quick. Get out of the inning, Jeurys

[redsoxrules]

Can we please stop shopping in the dumpster for releivers? That would be great.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Familia another reliever where 3 outs is a bridge too far. Dugo's catch has kept this from being even more disastrous.

[moonslav59]

For all the ravings about Bloom's rebuild of this team, and the pending FA departures , there could be a crowded situation developing for 2023. It may open up some trade options over the winter .

 

Keep in mind that the Sox will need to decide on Pham( $6M salary vs $1.5M release price); Hosmer has his own option to decide on. His sore back isn't helping that, but if he stays with his SD originated contract, he is MLB minimum cost to Boston. ; No one mentions it and it may be a 1:1000 shot, but they could refigure Bogey's contract to add another $5 million/year through '26, ; Thinking of Hosmer , you have the dynamic Cordero/Dalbec twins being chased by Casas Duran is a chip with no fixed future. Jeter Downs is not likely to be a force. Plawecki is done making room for Wong, but is McGuire the go forward #1 catcher ? Or do we chase fan and clubhouse favorite Vazquez, lol ? What about Refsnyder ?? That is more chips to play with than existed in the recent past

 

Then the one person who will dominate all the discussions--Rafael Devers on a long term deal. Who says Bloom's job is easy ??

 

Don't forget all the Rule 5 additions that will be made, and some tough choices on who to protect.

 

Sure to protect/very likely:

Tristan Casas

Frank German

Wikelman Gonzalez

Chris Murphy

Ceddanne Rafaela

Brandon Walter

 

Possible protectees:

Wilyer Abreu

Kole Cottam

Devlin Granberg

Thaddeus Ward

 

Minor league FA eligible:

Eduard Bazardo

Pedro Castellanos

Jeurys Familia

Zack Kelly

Enmanuel Valdez

 

[moonslav59]

Can we please stop shopping in the dumpster for releivers? That would be great.

 

Like Schreiber?