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Football has it right. Baseball has it wrong.

 

There's no incentive for Porcello or Sale to be effective pitchers anymore. THEY ALREADY GOT PAID. In the NFL, you get your guaranteed money then you get your regular salary over certain number of years. If you stink it up you get cut and you lose out on the rest of the contract. Baseball needs that or else you get these clowns who pack it in after they get their fully guaranteed contract.

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Football has it right. Baseball has it wrong.

 

There's no incentive for Porcello or Sale to be effective pitchers anymore. THEY ALREADY GOT PAID. In the NFL, you get your guaranteed money then you get your regular salary over certain number of years. If you stink it up you get cut and you lose out on the rest of the contract. Baseball needs that or else you get these clowns who pack it in after they get their fully guaranteed contract.

 

Thanks for that info. I did not know that. As much as I like that idea, I very strongly doubt that will be approved by the players' union.

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Poorcello has been so hittable lately.

 

I just can't blame the pitchers entirely for this mess. As a group they tried to give MLB what it said it wanted....VeLOCITY. Never mind if you have the body type for it or the technique for it or even the arm for it...just give it to us. Well they did....for as long as they could. MLB has just burned through too many arms which is a direct consequence of trying to make this a one dimensional game of power from the mound and the batters box.

 

We used to have a much wider spectrum of pitchers by type all of them able to learn their craft over time. The guys that were flamethrowers were because they could be. They didn't have to push it though as a group their pitching technique was so much better than what we see passing for MLB pitching today. I think I sense a slight turn back to the way it was out of necessity more than anything. Look what burning through all these arms has wrought. They have just worn these guys out if not forced them into outright injury and trying to backfill have brought utter trash up from the minor leagues, guys that have been brought up too soon or more likely never would have made it up at all in the past.

 

Its easy to criticize Rick but remember, he turned himself into a power pitcher of sorts, won a Cy Young and that lasted all of 1 year. Sale has been throwing hard with a very odd motion his entire career. But blame MLB as much as you want to blame the pitcher himself and remember, they just gave MLB what it demanded of them.

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I just can't blame the pitchers entirely for this mess. As a group they tried to give MLB what it said it wanted....VeLOCITY. Never mind if you have the body type for it or the technique for it or even the arm for it...just give it to us. Well they did....for as long as they could. MLB has just burned through too many arms which is a direct consequence of trying to make this a one dimensional game of power from the mound and the batters box.

 

We used to have a much wider spectrum of pitchers by type all of them able to learn their craft over time. The guys that were flamethrowers were because they could be. They didn't have to push it though as a group their pitching technique was so much better than what we see passing for MLB pitching today. I think I sense a slight turn back to the way it was out of necessity more than anything. Look what burning through all these arms has wrought. They have just worn these guys out if not forced them into outright injury and trying to backfill have brought utter trash up from the minor leagues, guys that have been brought up too soon or more likely never would have made it up at all in the past.

 

Its easy to criticize Rick but remember, he turned himself into a power pitcher of sorts, won a Cy Young and that lasted all of 1 year. Sale has been throwing hard with a very odd motion his entire career. But blame MLB as much as you want to blame the pitcher himself and remember, they just gave MLB what it demanded of them.

 

You don't have to throw hard to be successful...but it helps. Location is more important. By far.

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You don't have to throw hard to be successful...but it helps. Location is more important. By far.

 

Agreed completely, as long as you're implying that location is command.....Does make you ask yourself why in Gods name, MLB demanded velocity from pitchers. I already know the answer to that one. Knowing the answer does not make the insanity MLB forced on its game and its players any more palatable.

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Offense brings the fans. Pitching brings the rings.

 

Coaches bring the playbook.... for the players. And do all the smart stuff.... like they have to deal with...::: ugh. Nvm

 

I wanted to contribute :(

 

You said it so cool and I have nothing :(

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Agreed completely, as long as you're implying that location is command.....Does make you ask yourself why in Gods name, MLB demanded velocity from pitchers. I already know the answer to that one. Knowing the answer does not make the insanity MLB forced on its game and its players any more palatable.

 

Yes. Command=location. The ability to throw all of your pitches to the desired location.

I don't think MLB has forced change on the game as much as the game evolving on its own. The commissioner didn't force "openers" on any team; he didn't force the shift on anyone nor did he change the emphasis on HRs and the tolerance of Ks more widely. Thats due to the stat guys.

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Good pitching in MLB presently is as rare as finding a pearl in an oyster.

 

I don't have the stats to back this up but it sure does seem like there's less and less good pitching around. The question given the fact that it seems to be baseball-wide is, is it because of the pitchers.. or the new baseball?

 

And BTW, Bill was a very smart guy. :D

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I don't have the stats to back this up but it sure does seem like there's less and less good pitching around. The question given the fact that it seems to be baseball-wide is, is it because of the pitchers.. or the new baseball?

 

And BTW, Bill was a very smart guy. :D

 

Dewey, I believe there's just too many teams and not enough true talent to man these teams. And I'm not just referring to pitching.

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Dewey, I believe there's just too many teams and not enough true talent to man these teams. And I'm not just referring to pitching.

 

Btw, this is also true in regards to the other 3 major team sports.

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The Dodgers and Astros are blessed with both.

 

And yet I still feel the Yanks can beat the Astros in the playoffs. Dodgers however I don’t think anyone will stop them from going to the World Series. They’re too good. Maybe the Cubs? I dunno.

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When Moreland and Pearce return, will the SOX option MC Hammer and Marco back to Pawtucket? Obviously, there could be trades made making this question mute. Personally, I'd prefer to keep Hammer with the big club and trade Moreland. Edited by SPLENDIDSPLINTER
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Dewey, I believe there's just too many teams and not enough true talent to man these teams. And I'm not just referring to pitching.

 

I certainly agree with that^^! but it seems to me that there's been a big drop-off in pitching from the 2018 season. That's what I see as being really odd and makes me think there's more to it than just the pitchers.

But again, I don't have the stats to back it up so it's just my perception.

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