8/4 vs Arizona

[Jasonbay44]

If Gonzalez is considered mediocre, what is Napoli considered?

[User Name]

Is .818 OPS for anyone mediocre? 130 OPS+ means you're 30 points above average, also known as well above average.

 

He's also in LA.

 

30 percent above average regardless of the position of other players. Being in LA is a fair point though, since that park has horrible park factors.

 

Compared to other first basemen though, he's 9th out of 26 qualifying 1B. Would "above average" more suit your tastes?

[SoxFanForsyth]

If Gonzalez is considered mediocre, what is Napoli considered?

 

Has anyone here argued that Napoli is a good 1B?? Or anything more than average at best?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Finally Ortiz not chasing s*** in the ground.

[User Name]

If Gonzalez is considered mediocre, what is Napoli considered?

 

Below average. And he really has been unfortunately.

[italstallianion]

If Gonzalez is considered mediocre, what is Napoli considered?

 

In Napoli's defense his OPS was .808 compared to Gonzalez .818 (entering this game though Napoli's obviously got worse)

 

When you consider that one is being paid a $5M base salary plus incentives and the other one is paid $21M on a long term deal...I guess I'll have to put up with the lower average and higher strikeouts.

[Emmz]

If Gonzalez is considered mediocre, what is Napoli considered?

 

He's having a bad year, that's all.

[SoxFanForsyth]

30 percent above average regardless of the position of other players. Being in LA is a fair point though, since that park has horrible park factors.

 

Compared to other first basemen though, he's 9th out of 26 qualifying 1B. Would "above average" more suit your tastes?

 

wRC+ is park adjusted.

[User Name]

wRC+ is park adjusted.

 

So is OPS+, which is the stat she brought up. I don't follow your point?

[SoxFanForsyth]

So is OPS+, which is the stat she brought up. I don't follow your point?

 

Saying that the fact he plays in LA is meaningless when a stat is park adjusted.

[Emmz]

Wait, what? Napoli's seriously legitimately being called below average?

 

I thought it was a joke. He's decent, if anyone thought he was going to have another 2011, they're out of their mind.

[User Name]

He's been below average this year. Why is that so surprising?

[Emmz]

wRC+ is park adjusted.

 

He used OPS first, that's the only reason I mentioned him being in LA, and that's why it's a fair point I think.

 

his OPS+ is golden, his OPS is a little low because of where he's playing.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Ladies and gentlemen, you are looking at the guy who will soon be the all time leader in striking out for the Red Sox.

[User Name]

Saying that the fact he plays in LA is meaningless when a stat is park adjusted.

 

Yeah, but the formula for park adjustment isn't perfect. If i recall correctly, on the more extreme parks, the standard deviation in the final outcome after the formula is used is +/- 4% for OPS+. That is significant.

 

Not sure how it affects wRC+ though.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Napoli wRC+ right now: 116.

 

AL League Average wRC+: 113.

 

He's right at average, but his career wRC+ is 127, so he's come in well below expectations.

[Brock Holt]

Napoli has been s*** this year, why would anyone call him differently? He strikes out every other AB, has more ABs than he usually gets and is producing less. Thank God it was only a 1 year deal.

[Emmz]

He's been below average this year. Why is that so surprising?

 

I don't really care what position you play, .800+ OPS is above average for all hitters. Not everyone gets to have a big slugger 1B who has .900-1.000 OPS.

[Brock Holt]

And of course there he goes striking out again. Solid day at the plate for Nap.

[User Name]

He used OPS first, that's the only reason I mentioned him being in LA, and that's why it's a fair point I think.

 

his OPS+ is golden, his OPS is a little low because of where he's playing.

 

He's saying that because normally where you play doesn't matter when a stat is park adjusted, but in LA's case it does because the formula is imperfect.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Napoli has been s*** this year, why would anyone call him differently? He strikes out every other AB, has more ABs than he usually gets and is producing less. Thank God it was only a 1 year deal.

 

You should hit him in the face after the game. You know, pretend your gonna high five him then "miss", if ya catch my drift.

[User Name]

I don't really care what position you play, .800+ OPS is above average for all hitters. Not everyone gets to have a big slugger 1B who has .900-1.000 OPS.

 

Yeah positional value matters.

[Emmz]

Napoli wRC+ right now: 116.

 

AL League Average wRC+: 113.

 

He's right at average, but his career wRC+ is 127, so he's come in well below expectations.

 

He's slightly above average. Oh well, his stats are good. .800 OPS is solid at any time in my book.

[Brock Holt]

Position definitely matters. Do you think Pedroia would get 100 million dollars if he played first base?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Adrian Gonzalez's OPS at home is .805, and wRC+ is 131. Away, .832, wRC+ is 127. I know it's not perfect, but it certainly provides a pretty significant compensation considering a 3% dip in OPS in home games but a 3% bump in wRC+ at home.

[Station 13]

WTF Farrell

 

Why are you wasting Koji?

[Emmz]

Yeah positional value matters.

 

No it doesn't. If you have an .800 OPS, you're a good hitter.

[SoxFanForsyth]

WTF Farrell

 

Why are you wasting Koji?

 

See: 7/6 @ LAA

[User Name]

Adrian Gonzalez's OPS at home is .805, and wRC+ is 131. Away, .832, wRC+ is 127. I know it's not perfect, but it certainly provides a pretty significant compensation considering a 3% dip in OPS in home games but a 3% bump in wRC+ at home.

 

I'm not arguing that your statement is incorrect. In principle, your argument is absolutely correct. All i'm saying is that the formula isn't perfect, and weird deviations are known to appear in parks with flukey or extreme factors.

[RedSoxNC84]

And of course there he goes striking out again. Solid day at the plate for Nap.

 

Are you posting from the dugout???