2013 Yankees in-game thread

[yankees228]

So this 104 win pace you're on is only going to improve??

 

Watch out, 2001 Mariners.

 

I mean, to be fair, he didn't say that.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I mean, to be fair, he didn't say that.

 

He's absolutely insinuating that the Yankees are going to get better and completely ignoring the performance given by the rag dolls that the Yanks picked up.

 

Stats > Names.

[italstallianion]

I mean, to be fair, he didn't say that.

 

 

From what I've read, and I'm admittedly biased, it seems like Jacko's real quick to talk about the Red Sox luck running out while failing to acknowledge how ridiculously lucky his own team has been considering it should have been buried in the division and left for dead after all of the injuries.

 

Then you factor in the timing of his posts after Red Sox losses and I can see why so many people here don't like him. He's like a more subtle troll, like GOM without the personal attacks and youporn addiction.

[a700hitter]

Skanks got shutout by Masterson in game 1 against Cleveland-- 1-0 final.

[SoxFanForsyth]

#Regression

 

Going to be a long, long tumble.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol funny that we were just talking about 1 run games.

[jacksonianmarch]

We didn't have a chance. That split squad lineup was embarrassing

[jacksonianmarch]

And in true Yankee fashion, we beat the f*** out of them in game 2. Thus far, our pitching has been awesome against the highest scoring team in the AL. Vidal Nuno was lights out and Warren has been shut down as well. The kids are kicking ass

[yankees228]

He's absolutely insinuating that the Yankees are going to get better and completely ignoring the performance given by the rag dolls that the Yanks picked up.

 

Stats > Names.

 

He's admitting they'll see a regression in one run games and level of performance of lesser players, while pointing out that this regression should be mitigated by better players returning. That's at least how I read it, and I don't see how that's disagreeable.

[jacksonianmarch]

So this 104 win pace you're on is only going to improve??

 

Watch out, 2001 Mariners.

 

You don't do well with reason, do you?

[jacksonianmarch]

#Regression

 

Going to be a long, long tumble.

 

Yes, we tumbled so far. So, so far. We tumbled right into a 7-0 dominating performance. Oh, and Grandy comes back tomorrow.

[yankees228]

From what I've read, and I'm admittedly biased, it seems like Jacko's real quick to talk about the Red Sox luck running out while failing to acknowledge how ridiculously lucky his own team has been considering it should have been buried in the division and left for dead after all of the injuries.

 

Then you factor in the timing of his posts after Red Sox losses and I can see why so many people here don't like him. He's like a more subtle troll, like GOM without the personal attacks and youporn addiction.

 

I'm not really trying to get into a discussion about Jacko as a poster. My only point was that I think SFF badly misinterpreted his point.

[rjortiz]

Very surprised to see the Yankees playing so well. Haven't watched many of their games. What's been the key to their success so far?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yes, we tumbled so far. So, so far. We tumbled right into a 7-0 dominating performance. Oh, and Grandy comes back tomorrow.

 

1 game doesn't make anything. The Yanks will start losing, don't worry.

 

As far as the Grandy thing, you think that Grandy makes the team better, no? And a better team wins more games, no? And they are on a 100+ win pace, no? Please, tell me where my logic is flawed.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Yes, we tumbled so far. So, so far. We tumbled right into a 7-0 dominating performance. Oh, and Grandy comes back tomorrow.

 

Just like you said we were playing out of our minds, don't you think the Yankees are doing the same? I'll give you credit where it's due, but lets not act like you're really this good.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm not really trying to get into a discussion about Jacko as a poster. My only point was that I think SFF badly misinterpreted his point.

 

He did. The Yankees wont continue to win 80% of 1 run games, We also aren't winning over 100 games this yr. I said before the yr that we were a 95 win team. After all the injuries, I had no idea. Now that some guys have turned up gold and we are starting to see the all-star injury brigade returning, I don't see a massive regression. We'll have stretches where we lose 7 out of 10, but we wont have too many of them. This team can pitch and they can hit just enough to win.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He did. The Yankees wont continue to win 80% of 1 run games, We also aren't winning over 100 games this yr. I said before the yr that we were a 95 win team. After all the injuries, I had no idea. Now that some guys have turned up gold and we are starting to see the all-star injury brigade returning, I don't see a massive regression. We'll have stretches where we lose 7 out of 10, but we wont have too many of them. This team can pitch and they can hit just enough to win.

 

The Red Sox can do the same, so what's the difference?

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Red Sox can do the same, so what's the difference?

 

He's a fan of the Yankees. That is the diff.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I know you know Forsyth. I want to hear it from him, because he can't avoid this one.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Red Sox can do the same, so what's the difference?

 

Your team was 20-8 on the heels of unsustainable offense based on a league high BABIP and an insane .330 BA with RISP. Your pitching had to regress a little since their insane, atypical April, and they have done just that.

 

Your ERA in May is 4.76, good for 25th in baseball. Your ERA in April was 3.58, good for 8th in baseball

Your R/PG in May is 3.8, good for 19th in baseball. Your R/G in April was 5.2, good for 3rd in baseball.

 

All in all, your hitting corrected at the same time as your pitching. You're not as good as your April, you aren't as bad as your May. But all in all, your team isn't a 90 win club, IMO.

 

You look at the Yankees and they are actually hitting like s*** this month (3.7 runs per game), but the pitching is carrying them. When the pitching starts to allow more runs, we should have some players back. Having Granderson out there every day and pulling out Nelson for Youkilis could only be good for this team.

 

Honestly, I am shocked that the Yankees are in 1st right now. I knew that when healthy, this team was better than the sox and even without health, we are better. We get Youk, Grandy and Tex back within the next 3 weeks. A month after that ARod and Jeter should return. By that point, if you aren't ahead, you're gonna be buried

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Let's not act like Youk and A-Rod are going to do serious damage. I'll give you Grandy and Tex, maybe Jeter because he had a good season before he was injured. Not sure how he'll respond though. It's obvious we weren't as good as in April, or as bad as we are now. Lots of our players are underperfoming, and once they figure it out we'll definitely be giving the Yankees some trouble. I'm not saying the Yankees won't do good, because they always do, but I think this season you can't count out the Sox. Progress will be made.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So, were not as good as April, not as bad as May, and overall we are on a 94 win pace yet the Sox aren't a 90 win team.

 

And the Yanks are stranding a high amount of runners. With the 1 run record, that's made a big difference.

 

Not to mention forearm (Grandy) and wrists (Tex) completely zap power. Not like Tex is a slow starter or anything either.

 

And last - can we please stop acting like Tex is a good hitter? wRC+ of 116 last year. That's pretty bad for a 1B.

 

My biggest point is that you're assuming that these guys will be back to form instantly when they get back. That's not how it works.

 

Trust me, I've had way too much experience with watching injured players return over the past couple years.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let's not act like Youk and A-Rod are going to do serious damage. I'll give you Grandy and Tex, maybe Jeter because he had a good season before he was injured. Not sure how he'll respond though. It's obvious we weren't as good as in April, or as bad as we are now. Lots of our players are underperfoming, and once they figure it out we'll definitely be giving the Yankees some trouble. I'm not saying the Yankees won't do good, because they always do, but I think this season you can't count out the Sox. Progress will be made.

 

Our 3b's have a .668OPS and that is considering Youk gave us 17 games at a .769OPS. Getting them back will be a massive upgrade over the s*** that's been there, even if they play below their career standards.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It's an upgrade because A-Rod was your starting 3B. I still don't think the names Youk/A-Rod scream "fear us" not just to us, but any MLB team.

[jacksonianmarch]

So, were not as good as April, not as bad as May, and overall we are on a 94 win pace yet the Sox aren't a 90 win team.

 

And the Yanks are stranding a high amount of runners. With the 1 run record, that's made a big difference.

 

Not to mention forearm (Grandy) and wrists (Tex) completely zap power. Not like Tex is a slow starter or anything either.

 

And last - can we please stop acting like Tex is a good hitter? wRC+ of 116 last year. That's pretty bad for a 1B.

 

My biggest point is that you're assuming that these guys will be back to form instantly when they get back. That's not how it works.

 

Trust me, I've had way too much experience with watching injured players return over the past couple years.

 

 

Granderson is killing it in the minors and we have depth to not have to rush him. My guess is Grandy will see only righties to start.

 

Right now, our 1b have a .720OPS with a .277OBP. Tex may not be the guy he once was, but he's an .800+OPS player and should have a mid .300's OBP, which is a major upgrade.

 

Jeter is a wild card. But even with one leg he could OPS higher than .610, which is what our SS's are doing right now

[SoxFanForsyth]

1. Granderson has played 4 games. Ellsbury was hitting almost identically as well in 2010 in his rehab and we all saw how that went.

 

2. .948, .846, .835, .807. That's Tex's OPS for the past 4 years. Notice a trend? He's absolutely not a guarantee to OPS over .800. He had zero spring training, and he starts excessively slow even when he does have a full spring training and is healthy. And an injury to a wrist, no less. I know that you know those completely destroy power, which is where the majority of Tex's OPS comes from.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And FWIW, I would expect a platoon of Wells and Ichiro over Wells and Grandy.

 

Grandy can at least generate some pop vs LHP. Ichiro will not.

 

The Yanks have been solid at making contact this year and cutting down on the K's, which has kept them from being so HR dependent. Wonder how Granderson will affect that, just thinking out loud.

[yankees228]

And FWIW, I would expect a platoon of Wells and Ichiro over Wells and Grandy.

 

Grandy can at least generate some pop vs LHP. Ichiro will not.

 

The Yanks have been solid at making contact this year and cutting down on the K's, which has kept them from being so HR dependent. Wonder how Granderson will affect that, just thinking out loud.

 

I would be shocked if Wells lost any significant amount of playing time. He's their 3rd place hitter and his OPS vs RHPs is a very respectable .830. On top of that he has been solid in the outfield. I think, at this point, he has earned the right to play his way out of a spot, rather than just lose it to Granderson.

 

Ichiro, on the other hand, isn't very good, and should be relegated to a bench role. No platoons, a starting outfield of Wells-Gardner-Granderson (from left to right), and Ichiro as the 4th OFer/defensive replacement. That puts your best team on the field.

 

Which brings us back to the fact that giving Ichiro that contract this offseason, based on a one month mini-resurgence, was not a very good move.

 

EDIT: And before my point is misconstrued, I'm not saying Wells is a sure bet to keep up this production all year. What I am saying is that, for the time being, he should be an everyday player because of his current level of production.

[Standing Room]

No disrespect to the Yankees, but they haven't performed like a team that should be ahead of the Red Sox in the standings.

 

Red Sox - .341 wOBA, Yankees - .323 wOBA

Red Sox - 3.52 xFIP, Yankees - 3.70 xFIP

Red Sox - 9.4 UZR, Yankees - 4.7 UZR

 

The Yankees offense will pick up when they get some of their hitters back, but that will just put them roughly on par with the Red Sox. The disparity on defense will only get greater as the Yankees get players like Granderson, Jeter and A-Rod back. As long as the Red Sox continue to outpitch the Yankees, it will eventually show in the standings.

[jacksonianmarch]

You do know that the Red Sox ERA this month is nearly 2 runs higher than the Yankees? So the whole out pitching thing isn't really happening at all. The numbers you are quoting are based upon an unsustainable April in which the sox had the highest BABIP and an unsustainably low ERA