Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Thread

[Dom]

The Dodgers would make sense considering the player he's named after. It must be strange to be a Yankees fan and have other teams willing to give out more outrageous contracts than your team. It's not so fun when you're the one being out-Yankeed.

[BSN07]

The Yankees situation is now the situation the Red Sox have faced forever I suppose lol They can spend with the best of them, but there is one team that can spend more if they chose to do so.

[Dom]

Fangraphs names Granderson and Cano as candidates for decline.

 

fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cano-granderson-and-other-clifford-candidates-for-2013

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah, but the dodgers have locked themselves into a ton of money. If they decide to go after every $150 mil + FA on a yearly basis, they'll eventually reach their own internal limit.

[Dom]

Heyman recently brought up the fact that the Yankees lineup might have issues with balance now that Swisher and Martin are gone and A-Rod will miss most of the season. Here are the players on the Yankees who had 100 AB against lefties and had an OPS above .700.

 

Jeter, 214 AB, .941 OPS

Rodriguez, 146 AB, .924 OPS

Martin, 124 AB, .880 OPS

Teixeira, 175 AB, .865 OPS

Swisher, 185 AB, .769 OPS

Granderson, 216 AB, .762 OPS

Jones, 168 AB, .705 OPS

 

As you can see most of them are no longer on the team or will be injured most of the year.

[BSN07]

Yeah, but the dodgers have locked themselves into a ton of money. If they decide to go after every $150 mil + FA on a yearly basis, they'll eventually reach their own internal limit.

 

Eventually yes. But With the way they are spending I can see them dropping big contracts on Kershaw and Cano. They can always move Either to clear some money if need be.

[Palodios]

Here's a crazy chart that ESPN showed this morning

 

HR

43 Granderson

24 Swisher

21 Martin

19 Ibanez

18 Arod

16 Chavez

14 Jones

[jacksonianmarch]

Granderson will be back in the first week of May, so by sensationalizing his loss, they are misrepresenting his absence

[Cervelli Sucks]

Even before Granderson got hurt, it was widely discussed how he's a candidate for regression and Cashman admitted he expected the team to score less runs. Sorry if pointing out the facts offends your rose colored sensibilities. The Yankees are going to have an average at best offense and will rely heavily on their aging pitching staff.

[BSN07]

Don't respond to him. He will surely be banned at some point shorty. He's obviously the douche from yesterday.

[Cervelli Sucks]

Don't make me send you another picture of my brains.

[a700hitter]

Dutchy-- A loser like no other.

[jacksonianmarch]

Even before Granderson got hurt, it was widely discussed how he's a candidate for regression and Cashman admitted he expected the team to score less runs. Sorry if pointing out the facts offends your rose colored sensibilities. The Yankees are going to have an average at best offense and will rely heavily on their aging pitching staff.

 

and still make the postseason. By the way, I could use someone to clean my house. You willing to make $5 an hour?

[jacksonianmarch]

Don't make me send you another picture of my brains.

 

you sent all of us a pic of your brains, do you think that bothers me at all? You think it's funny to post someone who's been scalped? You're a true low life who likely will end up being a miscreant with no drive in life. You'll probably spend some time inbetween jail, rehab, and being homeless. Your mother will finally give up on you and one of these days, you'll OD in the street. The problem is, you'll knock up a few junkies before you die and their useless lives will continue to pollute the world like you are. It's a sad cycle. I am sure you are already familiar with the words Narcan and Dual Bed. If you are, then my prediction is on the right track.

[BSN07]

you sent all of us a pic of your brains, do you think that bothers me at all? You think it's funny to post someone who's been scalped? You're a true low life who likely will end up being a miscreant with no drive in life. You'll probably spend some time inbetween jail, rehab, and being homeless. Your mother will finally give up on you and one of these days, you'll OD in the street. The problem is, you'll knock up a few junkies before you die and their useless lives will continue to pollute the world like you are. It's a sad cycle. I am sure you are already familiar with the words Narcan and Dual Bed. If you are, then my prediction is on the right track.

 

lol

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting tidbit on Russell Martin and his "offense".

 

Martin's slash line was .211/.311/.403

Martin's near .200 IsoPower was driven almost exclusively by his 21HRs (he only hit 18 doubles and no triples)

Of those HR's, 14 (a whopping 67%) were solo shots. 6 of them resulted in the Yankees breaking a tie, or taking a lead from being down. Therefore, 15 of his HR's were in effect, meaningless in terms of the game itself at the time they were hit. For a guy who was previously known for handling the bat well, he had more K's than hits (95K, 89H). His OPS dropped 58 points with runners on base, while his RISP numbers were nearly identical to his line for the season. The only thing that actual led to his stats not being completely embarassing offensively were his walks and his second half. He was horrible the first half of the season with a .179BA and a .648OPS. He redeemed himself by having a .242/.321/.456 slash line after the ASB, but bolstered by a lot of those meaningless HRs.

 

I know his bat had some scare to it, but when you look a little bit past these numbers, it's hard to say that anyone would be that much of a downgrade offensively. The guy jacked up his OPS with HR's when the game was either in hand or leaning in one direction. He walked at a good rate too. That's it. He didnt hit doubles, struck out a ton, and shrank when a batter was on base. I think we can replicate some of his numbers with the guys we have in house, since you cannot really do much worse

[Rumpel9]

LOL. Hilarious how you talk about how bad Martin's bad is and neglect to compare it at all to Cervelli's. Any way you try to spin it with your rose colored glasses, Cervelli is a downgrade across the board. Offensively, he has an OPS below .700 (Martin's been safely above .700 the last two years) at the major league level. His wOBA stats are also lower than Martin's the last two seasons. And that's in limited playing time, imagine how much his numbers will dive if he manages to stay healthy and endure the grind of catching all season. Cervelli was also a .650 OPS hitter in AAA and he barely managed to have a .700 OPS in AA. The stats prove he's an inferior hitter to Martin.

 

Durability wise, Martin wins by a mile. Martin's been below 100 games once his career. Cervelli's managed to stay relatively healthy for two years in his professional career.

 

Defensively, Cervelli's a headcase while Martin's been nothing but solid.

 

Game calling and familiarity with the pitcher, Martin's received nothing but praise while Cervelli's relatively unfamiliar with the Yankees rotation.

 

Catcher is a place where the Yankees will be losing a few wins worth of production. They may have finished a 95 win team last year, but that was with guys like Swisher, Martin, Chavez, A-Rod, etc. They aren't the same team entering this season and they're a year older.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Someone hired multiple hitman for Jacko apparently.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey Dutch, I stated offensive numbers for a reason. I also pointed out that Martin's OPS was heavily influenced by his HR total and how hollow his home runs were. Defensively, we'll lose a lot. We can replace the defensive skill with Romine, but game calling and familiarity is definitely a drop. We won't need much to equal his offensive contributions

[Rumpel9]

Your "hollow home run" analysis is laughably homerish. Just because they didn't tie or take the lead at the time does not mean that they weren't significant factors in games. If the team was down 5-1, Martin hit a home run and the team won 6-5, you're claiming the home run would have been hollow you dumbass. You can't simply ignore the fact that he hit 20 home runs last year and he's being replaced by a hitter with 5 career home runs. You're getting worse offensively, you're getting worse defensively and the game calling will suffer. That's a large decrease in production from the most important position on the field after the pitcher.

 

I don't see any reason to project the Yankees as more than an 85 win team right now. You don't simply let your some of your most valuable players walk, replace them with nothing of value and do nothing to improve one of the oldest teams in the league and remain similarly competitive. Another significant injury or two and they're outside of the playoff race looking in. The Yankees don't have s*** for major league close depth.

[BSN07]

This guy is extremely bored. 3 profiles in 3 days? Get a life dude.

[jacksonianmarch]

BSN, I am flattered by his obsession for me, really. That being said, we're going to take a negative on the catcher's side overall, I havent stated anything to the contrary. I think we could potentially match what Martin gave offensively last season from the spot. Dutch is talking like Martin put up MVP numbers. The guy barely eeked over the Mendoza line last yr

[VA Sox Fan]

BSN, I am flattered by his obsession for me, really. That being said, we're going to take a negative on the catcher's side overall, I havent stated anything to the contrary. I think we could potentially match what Martin gave offensively last season from the spot. Dutch is talking like Martin put up MVP numbers. The guy barely eeked over the Mendoza line last yr

 

I thought he was obsessed with a700, you too huh?:dunno:

[jacksonianmarch]

He's obsessed with anyone who engages him in conversation and poses an opposing viewpoint. He's obsessed with being argumentative and being right....similar to all of us here. His methods are his issue and likely why he'll pop up regularly and be banned frequently

[a700hitter]

I thought he was obsessed with a700, you too huh?:dunno:

Jacko is moving in on my obsessed trolls? He'd better back off.

[BSN07]

4:45pm: Scott Boras didn't comment on the offer, telling CBS Sports' Jon Heyman that "Robinson is focused on preparing for and playing the 2013 season. By agreement discussions shall remain confidential. Also by agreement, discussions will cease if they are a distraction to Robinson's performance and leadership of the 2013 Yankees.''

 

3:43pm: The Yankees made Robinson Cano "a significant offer" that would keep the second baseman off of the free agent market, GM Brian Cashman confirmed to reporters, including MLB.com's Bryan Hoch. Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner said earlier this month that the Yankees were prepared to offer Cano a significant long-term deal. It's now clear that the Yankees have made the 30-year-old an offer.

 

Looks like the Yanks are trying. I will still be surprised if he signs before testing the market, unless it's some absurd offer from the Yanks.

[BSN07]

7/171M is the rumored offer. I said he get 7/175M, he's probably going to get more now if that's really the Yanks first offer.

[jacksonianmarch]

7/171M is the rumored offer. I said he get 7/175M, he's probably going to get more now if that's really the Yanks first offer.

 

If he goes to FA, it's gonna shrink down to 6 yrs $150 mil and I doubt anyone beats that. They are giving Boras the $25 mil per season he wants while giving Robby a $6 mil raise for 2013.

[BSN07]

If he goes to FA, it's gonna shrink down to 6 yrs $150 mil and I doubt anyone beats that. They are giving Boras the $25 mil per season he wants while giving Robby a $6 mil raise for 2013.

 

Why would it shrink? I could understand if you said the offer won't increase. But I don't see him signing for less then 7/171M now. That's the risk in trying to extend a Boras client. They now have given him a floor to work with. If they seriously wanted to extend him they should have tried last ST(maybe they did? idk for sure obviously). Boras isn't going to walk away from his favorite way of doing business when they are so close.

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

I haven't seen that 7/171 figure anywhere, if it's true it's better than what I thought the Yankees would offer Cano. He's looking for $200 million though and he'll probably get it in free agency. If the Yankees lower their offer from 7/171 (if they ever offered that at all) then there's no chance he'll return. Boras doesn't give discounts to teams because they've already met their bad contract quota. This is a lose/lose for the Yankees, either they pay Cano $25 million a year through age 38+ or they lose their best player.