2012 ALCS: Yankees vs Tigers

[jung]

While I do not think Valverde should have been brought into the game it hardly matters. Once he refused to challenge Tex 2-2 having had him 0-2, Valverde himself had raised the white flag and had to come out at that point especially with LH, white hot hitting Raul coming up.

 

Managers need to start acknowledging that Raul is the hottest hitter the Yankees have and is in fact the only hitter the Yankees have at the moment that can hurt you. Instead of seeing a white hot hitter that is the only true threat the Yankees have at the moment, they see a 40 year old that does not even start....stupid.

 

Everybody acknowledges that the teams that you have to worry about going into and in the post season are the teams that get hot. So why don't managers use the same logic with regard to players? Because in the main they are dumb as dirt. Showalter refused to acknowledge Raul and probably got bounced from the post season for it. Leyland made the same mistake tonight and almost lost the game because of it.

[Divinity]

I think Jeter's SS career just ended. The heart was cut out of the Yankees tonight-- October 14, 2012.

 

Nope, he will only miss the rest of the postseason.

[a700hitter]

While I do not think Valverde should have been brought into the game it hardly matters. Once he refused to challenge Tex 2-2 having had him 0-2, Valverde himself had raised the white flag and had to come out at that point especially with LH, white hot hitting Raul coming up.

 

Managers need to start acknowledging that Raul is the hottest hitter the Yankees have and is in fact the only hitter the Yankees have at the moment that can hurt you. Instead of seeing a white hot hitter that is the only true threat the Yankees have at the moment, they see a 40 year old that does not even start....stupid.

 

Everybody acknowledges that the teams that you have to worry about going into and in the post season are the teams that get hot. So why don't managers use the same logic with regard to players? Because in the main they are dumb as dirt. Showalter refused to acknowledge Raul and probably got bounced from the post season for it. Leyland made the same mistake tonight and almost lost the game because of it.

Even the good managers are just not very smart.

[a700hitter]

Nope, he will only miss the rest of the postseason.

It will be very hard for a 39 yr olds coming off a shattered ankle to play SS at the major league level. It took Stephen Drew an entire year to make it back and he is 10 years younger than Jeter. I am betting that Jeter is done as the Yankee SS.

[Divinity]

It will be very hard for a 39 yr olds coming off a shattered ankle to play SS at the major league level. It took Stephen Drew an entire year to make it back and he is 10 years younger than Jeter. I am betting that Jeter is done as the Yankee SS.

 

The recovery time on his fractured ankle is 3 month's, I think we will see Jeter play SS again in Yankee stadium sooner or later.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Who cares about Jeter, we're forgetting the most important thing here.

 

The Yankees losing!! I hope I'm off work when Verlander pitches, he's going to absolutely destroy the Yankees lineup, possibly a no hitter they way these clowns are playing.

[Divinity]

Who cares about Jeter, we're forgetting the most important thing here.

 

The Yankees losing!! I hope I'm off work when Verlander pitches, he's going to absolutely destroy the Yankees lineup, possibly a no hitter they way these clowns are playing.

 

Velander's gonna destroy the Red Sox lineup every time he faces them until the day he retires. :harhar:

[jung]

Unless both teams make significant changes, both the Red Sox and Yankees have pop gun lineups. The difference at this point is that the Yankees are paying about a zillion $$$ more for their pop gun line up and the Sox now have the financial flexibility to do something about theirs.

 

The question on the Sox end is whether the FO is up to the task.

 

As for this series, the Yanks are really under pressure to win game 2 with Kuroda on short rest. Don't think the Yanks can get past Detroit in any event. However if they lose game 2 the rest of the series will be anticlimactic.

 

Losing Jeter really hurts on one hand as he has been one of the more consistent players they have had in this post season. However for one game there might be something of the wounded animal effect that might actually help the Yanks in game 2.

[Station 13]

Valverde is a piece of s***. Verlander could've started last night, or game 2 and the Tigers will likely be up 2-0 going back to Detroit to close it out. Good job by Fister anyway.

 

Valverde, can't remove him cuz he's your closer, the monster that is created by man.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Velander's gonna destroy the Red Sox lineup every time he faces them until the day he retires. :harhar:

 

You say that like it hurts, little league pitchers could shut down the Red Sox. That was such a weak comeback.

[Brennan]

jeter is toast. He'll be back alright, but whatever he has been taking to go from the non hitting waste of space he was a few years back when they "insulted" him with a "low ball" offer is not gonna be enough. Sure it got him to the point where his season average is over .300 and his postseason average is over .400 but as far as shortstop, it ain't gonna help his overly dramatic jump throw or little league range. He's gonna be a primadonna anchor on them until he's Julio Franco age.

[Behindenemylines]

What does Verlander destroying the Sox lineup have to do with the 2013 playoffs and the $pankees having to deal with Verlander? The $panks throwing Kuroda on short rest in a must game for them should be interesting. He has never pitched on three days rest. If Tigers win today they go back to Detroit up 2 games with one of the best pitchers in baseball going for them. Facing him down 0-2 and with several struggling hitters in the lineup it could be time to get tee times for the $panks. Go Tigers!

[a700hitter]

jeter is toast. He'll be back alright, but whatever he has been taking to go from the non hitting waste of space he was a few years back when they "insulted" him with a "low ball" offer is not gonna be enough. Sure it got him to the point where his season average is over .300 and his postseason average is over .400 but as far as shortstop, it ain't gonna help his overly dramatic jump throw or little league range. He's gonna be a primadonna anchor on them until he's Julio Franco age.

Unlike joe Torre who worshipped Jeter and could never bench him or move him off SS, Girardi has shown that he has no sentimentality. A broken ankle at 39 years old is the end of Jeter as an everyday SS. Look at how long it has taken for Stephen Drew to return from his broken ankle-- an entire year. He's 10 years younger than Jeter. I have seen careers ruined by broken ankles. This is a devastating injury to guys who rely on speed and mobility. I have seen that type of player have there careers ended by an ankle or have the trajectory of their career paths radically changed liked Tommy Davis and Bill Buckner.

[a700hitter]

The recovery time on his fractured ankle is 3 month's, I think we will see Jeter play SS again in Yankee stadium sooner or later.

You will need to watch old DVD's of Jeter playing SS, because it is ova for him.

 

Pettitte will pitch one more game --and I predict that it will be s spectacular loss- then he will go into permanent retirement. That will be the last we will see of the Core Four. Good bye and good riddance.

[jung]

So you just leave the closer in even when he himself has put up the surrender flag and has given up as many runs already in the inning as outs he has recorded??? That is just lame. By the way....Leyland DID take Valverde out....just one batter to late....so ultimately Leyland did take Veverde out in that inning and brought in a LH pitcher to pitch to the NEXT LH batter. Lots of good that did since the horse had already left the barn.

 

By rights Leyland deserved to get his head beat in by the Yanks for treating Raul like he was just some 40 year old stiff just like Showalter got his head beaten in for the same reason. Situational managing in MLB has just gone out the window just like situational hitting has. In this case the "situation" was that Raul was a white hot, LH batter, by far the BEST threat the Yanks could bring to the plate that could actually hurt Detroit and Leyland leaves in a RH pitcher that has already put up the surrender flag to pitch to him. Even the TBS broadcast team, as bad as they were during the broadcast basically gave that whole situation the big "Holy s***" especially Darling who stopped just short of saying Leyland had to rethink his entire approach to this "my players, my guys" thing if he wanted to have a shot at winning a WS.

 

There is no way in hell, closer or no, that you can justify allowing any one pitcher to give up the tying runs, ALL FOUR OF THEM, in the ninth inning to the home team in Yankee Stadium cause it is to easy at that point for the Yanks to just end the game on you without you even being able to come up again with one of those ridiculous RF HR's. That was already an unprecedented post season last inning come back. All it would have taken was one more of those silly RF HR's to have created the most embarrassing managerial gaff in post season history.

[jung]

So you just leave the closer in even when he himself has put up the surrender flag and has given up as many runs already in the inning as outs he has recorded??? That is just lame. By the way....Leyland DID take Valverde out....just one batter to late....so ultimately Leyland did take Veverde out in that inning and brought in a LH pitcher to pitch to the NEXT LH batter. Lots of good that did since the horse had already left the barn.

 

By rights Leyland deserved to get his head beat in by the Yanks for treating Raul like he was just some 40 year old stiff just like Showalter got his head beaten in for the same reason. Situational managing in MLB has just gone out the window just like situational hitting has. In this case the "situation" was that Raul was a white hot, LH batter, by far the BEST threat the Yanks could bring to the plate that could actually hurt Detroit and Leyland leaves in a RH pitcher that has already put up the surrender flag to pitch to him. Even the TBS broadcast team, as bad as they were during the broadcast basically gave that whole situation the big "Holy s***" especially Darling who stopped just short of saying Leyland had to rethink his entire approach to this "my players, my guys" thing if he wanted to have a shot at winning a WS.

 

There is no way in hell, closer or no, that you can justify allowing any one pitcher to give up the tying runs, ALL FOUR OF THEM, in the ninth inning to the home team in Yankee Stadium cause it is to easy at that point for the Yanks to just end the game on you without you even being able to come up again with one of those ridiculous RF HR's. That was already an unprecedented post season last inning come back. All it would have taken was one more of those silly RF HR's to have created the most embarrassing managerial gaff in post season history.

[beantownbuck]

i didnt know the whole story with valverde this year but he looked so flat last night!...couldnt get why they brought him in with a 4 run lead..i could just sense the bad that was coming when he walked the guy in front of Raul.

[Behindenemylines]

It is hard enough for a 39 year old to play SS in the show on a winning team when they are healthy, but a position that relies on healthy legs a broken ankle is a major problem. Maybe now ARod can get his position back that he lost when he came over to the $pankees. Go Tigers!

[YAZMAN]

I think Jeter's SS career just ended. The heart was cut out of the Yankees tonight-- October 14, 2012.

 

http://thenineroute.blogspot.com/2012/10/el-capitan.html

[a700hitter]

http://thenineroute.blogspot.com/2012/10/el-capitan.html

The article is ridiculous. Of course Jeter is a first ballot Hall of Famer and an all time great. He may not be the greatest talent to ever play SS, but he performed at an excellent level much longer than anyone else. Every other argument against him is jealous whining, and this comes from a guy that has been looking forward to being rid of him. First Ballot Hall of Famer? Without any doubt. And as a Red Sox fan, I hope it happens sooner than later. Hopefully, he is done and will go into the hall in 2018.

[jung]

i could just sense the bad that was coming when he walked the guy in front of Raul.

 

The way he walked Tex was as telling as having walked him. Veverde had Tex 0-2 and then Tex got the count to 2-2. At that point Veverde did not have a choice. He had to challenge Tex at that point. That does not necessarily mean that he had to grove a FB right down main street, mano a mano style. However he had to go with a FB and try to get it in a good location. Worst that could happen would have been a HR and Detroit still has the lead and Veverde is out of the game at that point. Instead of challenging Tex he throws another ball nowhere near the plate. At 3-2 actually Veverde still had one last shot to challenge Tex and failed again...walking him in the process.

 

That is virtually the same scenario that Storen the Nats pitcher was in against the Cards the night before and he had surrendered the same way Veverde surrendered to Tex in that spot. The only difference was that Storen had to throw a slider for a strike on the outer edge and instead tryed to coax hitters to reach for that slider off the plate.....another classic example of the pitcher losing his nerve and raising the white flag of surrender.

 

Any manager that sees that and leaves the pitcher in after that hitter, gets no sympathy from me. The pitcher has already told you that he is done.

 

Besides being unwilling to challenge Tex, the strikes Veverde was throwing were all meatballs. Frankly, Veverde knew they were meatballs, which is why he lost his nerve and his confidence. Seeing pop gun Ichiro take you yard even in Matchbox Stadium does not do much for your confidence.

[Brennan]

You have to ride him cause he is your closer?

 

 

Sometimes they feel that baseball knowledge can just be limited to 27 rings and not caring who played SS before jeter.

[a700hitter]

You have to ride him cause he is your closer?

 

 

Sometimes they feel that baseball knowledge can just be limited to 27 rings and not caring who played SS before jeter.

He's the best SS in the history of the team. Is that in dispute?

[Brennan]

Who said it was? My statement was about Valverde.

[Brennan]

I actually think that the bankee$ are going to win today. As much as they can't hit, Sanchez has nothing. And all they need is for Leyland to leave him in too long against someone like Ibanez and we will leave the band box and watch new york's destruction in Detroit.

[redsoxrules]

Holy , lot of empty seats in Yankee stadium today , especially for a playoff game on a Sunday

[Brennan]

This is like watching paint dry. It's not like we are witnessing Cy Young pitching here, it seems like nobody has plate discipline anymore.

[Brennan]

Detroit is taking a page from our book this season, when a guy is throwing crap a foot out of the zone, don't try to draw a walk just swing for the fences.

[Brennan]

And Detroit is doing what the O's did letting the bankee$ on with consistent walks and errors.

[jacksonianmarch]

This offense sucks cock