Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[redsoxrules]

I don't think it would be a good idea to trade Lester considering their thin enough on SP .

I expect Lester to bounce back and have a great season

[SoxFanForsyth]

I don't think it would be a good idea to trade Lester considering their thin enough on SP .

I expect Lester to bounce back and have a great season

 

I almost edited and took his name out. I don't think we'd give him up.

 

I bet we can pull a deal with them, though, in a 3 way trade.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I wonder if Jason Bay could get his career back on track if the Sox picked him up. I honestly think a change of scenery would help him out a ton.

 

If the Sox gave him a 1 year/$3mm deal, I bet he'd take it to try to propel his value again.

 

How about an OF of Bay - Ells - Upton, and can you imagine if Bay bounced back and gave us a 25 HR season, Ells had a normal year (.295/.350/.450, 13-15 HR), and Upton had a solid year?

 

That OF could be stupid good.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Now hearing the DBacks will listen on Trevor Bauer too.

 

Bradley + Bogaerts + Doubront + De La Rosa for Bauer + J-Up?

[BSN07]

Absolutely no on Bradley. He is Ellsbury's replacement. This might be a time to get Ellsbury in on a 3 team deal that has him going to team X and Upton and/or Bauer going to the Sox and players yxz got to AZ.

 

Upton is one of a few guys I'd be ok with the team moving some talent to get. I think he fits baseball wise. Personality? No idea.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Absolutely no on Bradley. He is Ellsbury's replacement. This might be a time to get Ellsbury in on a 3 team deal that has him going to team X and Upton and/or Bauer going to the Sox and players yxz got to AZ.

 

Upton is one of a few guys I'd be ok with the team moving some talent to get. I think he fits baseball wise. Personality? No idea.

 

You don't need an Ellsbury replacement if you have Upton.

[BSN07]

Rosenthal says his limited no-trade clause included the Yankees, Red Sox, Guardians, and Cubs this year, though the list has since changed.

 

One hurdle to take into consideration. Looks like he lbocked 2 horrid franchises and gave himself leverage against the two big boys(at the time he signed the deal).

[SoxFanForsyth]

Absolutely no on Bradley. He is Ellsbury's replacement. This might be a time to get Ellsbury in on a 3 team deal that has him going to team X and Upton and/or Bauer going to the Sox and players yxz got to AZ.

 

Upton is one of a few guys I'd be ok with the team moving some talent to get. I think he fits baseball wise. Personality? No idea.

 

Bauer is a 21 year old who is going to going to be a future ace.

 

If the Sox were somehow able to retain De La Rosa and get Bauer and Upton, their future rotation would be absolutely disgusting.

[SoxFanForsyth]

One hurdle to take into consideration. Looks like he lbocked 2 horrid franchises and gave himself leverage against the two big boys(at the time he signed the deal).

 

Yeah, but I'm sure he'd waive his NTC since he is constantly on the block with them.

[BSN07]

You don't need an Ellsbury replacement if you have Upton.

 

Yes you do. Upton is not a CF and Ellsbury whether traded now, later or after he hits the FA market is almost a lock to not be with the team after next season. So they will need a replacement. And as it stands it looks like Bradley is the favorite.

[BSN07]

Yeah, but I'm sure he'd waive his NTC since he is constantly on the block with them.

 

He'll waive it when he's compensated.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yes you do. Upton is not a CF and Ellsbury whether traded now, later or after he hits the FA market is almost a lock to not be with the team after next season. So they will need a replacement. And as it stands it looks like Bradley is the favorite.

 

If you want a high profile OF and a young stud SP, you have to give something up to get them. The DBacks aren't just going to take a bunch of s*** players.

 

Having said that, they may be ok with not having Bradley because they already have a set OF essentially.

 

So maybe Bogaerts + De La Rosa + Doubront + Cecchini + Breslow/Miller?

[SoxFanForsyth]

He'll waive it when he's compensated.

 

He's got 3 years left on his deal. He's too far away to require an extension. And if he does, you could do worse than giving a 7-8 year deal (4-5 year extension) to a 25 year old.

[BSN07]

We need to realize though Upton is going to be a popular trade chip, the price might get too high. I'd like him on the team. But not on a big overpay. Texas, Atlanta, Detroit, NYY, plus numerous other teams are all going to be interested. To be honest I think it be a slick move to move on Bauer while everyone else is going after Upton. Bauer has lost the backing of some in the AZ FO according to a few stories. I know he has a long toss routing that AZ hates and he won't give it up(if you have never watched it do yourself a favor and watch it on youtube, watching him throw bb's the full length of a football field is a good watch).

[BSN07]

If you want a high profile OF and a young stud SP, you have to give something up to get them. The DBacks aren't just going to take a bunch of s*** players.

 

Having said that, they may be ok with not having Bradley because they already have a set OF essentially.

 

So maybe Bogaerts + De La Rosa + Doubront + Cecchini + Breslow/Miller?

 

I have no interest in moving Bogaerts. He's about as untouchable as they come in my book.

 

I know they will have to give up talent. But there is still players I'd rather keep for the long haul. If that means no Upton, so be it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I have no interest in moving Bogaerts. He's about as untouchable as they come in my book.

 

I know they will have to give up talent. But there is still players I'd rather keep for the long haul. If that means no Upton, so be it.

 

It's more about Trevor Bauer than it is about Justin Upton.

 

Bauer is a 21 year old, top 10 prospect in all of baseball. The availability of these do not come around often. He's in line to be an absolute stud, and a guy who is going to be under club control for years.

 

He is exactly what the Red Sox need.

 

Acquiring both in 1 deal is a perfect fit for the Sox.

[BSN07]

It's more about Trevor Bauer than it is about Justin Upton.

 

Bauer is a 21 year old, top 10 prospect in all of baseball. The availability of these do not come around often. He's in line to be an absolute stud, and a guy who is going to be under club control for years.

 

He is exactly what the Red Sox need.

 

Acquiring both in 1 deal is a perfect fit for the Sox.

 

Yes it would be, but in the end it depends on the price. the fact the Sox will be able to take on any amount of money in the deal helps.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Having said all of this, if the Sox are able to acquire Upton and keep the B's and De La Rosa (dealing Webster/Doubront, Cecchini, Miller/Breslow, and like an Alex Wilson), I'd be fine with that too.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

I'd love to see the Red Sox do a reclaimation project with Bay. Low cost one year deal to try to up his value. If he's truly done, you cut your losses.

[jung]

Bay's contract with the Mets was a joke, 4/$66.....really......while he had a good year his last year before going to the Mets you would have had to have taken that year and extrapolated even better years from it to justify 4/$66 and that was want went wrong with baseball the last few years. Teams were not just paying for repeat performance from a contract year. They were paying for better than the best performance from the player.

 

At this point with the exception of special cases, I think you will see teams maybe pay based on repeating a contract year performance but will not see teams willing to pay on speculation that the player will perform even better than that.

 

As for Bay, a one year deal for cheap based on Bay making some effort to restore his rep, now in tatters might be fine. Bay is at an odd age though...34 now....35 after next year.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Bay's contract with the Mets was a joke, 4/$66.....really......while he had a good year his last year before going to the Mets you would have had to have taken that year and extrapolated even better years from it to justify 4/$66 and that was want went wrong with baseball the last few years. Teams were not just paying for repeat performance from a contract year. They were paying for better than the best performance from the player.

 

At this point with the exception of special cases, I think you will see teams maybe pay based on repeating a contract year performance but will not see teams willing to pay on speculation that the player will perform even better than that.

 

As for Bay, a one year deal for cheap based on Bay making some effort to restore his rep, now in tatters might be fine. Bay is at an odd age though...34 now....35 after next year.

 

Just a 1 year deal for 3mm? No risk in that whatsoever, and if he gets back on track, he's got a ton of upside.

[jung]

I think he has slumped so far that the Sox will be able to get away with a minor league contract and invite to camp with Bay. He has much to prove at this point.

[Palodios]

I think he has slumped so far that the Sox will be able to get away with a minor league contract and invite to camp with Bay. He has much to prove at this point.

 

He does have a lot to prove, but I hope he realizes that the Red Sox are the best place for him. The fans love him here. He hit here. It may take time for him to get back on track for him, but I bet he'll feel like he has something to prove.

[Palodios]

Player A .807 OPS, .267 avg, 22 HR, 2.4 WAR

Player B .783 OPS, .280 avg, 17 HR, 2.5 WAR

 

Player A is Cody Ross, and player B is Upton.

 

Justin Upton scares me quite a bit. He's a player who has never lived up to the hype, but would cost as much as an elite-elite type guy. I understand he's only 25, but so many of the game's best outfielders are available right now.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Player A .807 OPS, .267 avg, 22 HR, 2.4 WAR

Player B .783 OPS, .280 avg, 17 HR, 2.5 WAR

 

Player A is Cody Ross, and player B is Upton.

 

Justin Upton scares me quite a bit. He's a player who has never lived up to the hype, but would cost as much as an elite-elite type guy. I understand he's only 25, but so many of the game's best outfielders are available right now.

 

Couple things:

 

1. Upton plays significantly better defense than Ross.

2. Upton, at Fenway Park, would bump his numbers pretty well, just like they bumped Ross's.

3. Upton is also capable of swiping 20 bags.

 

Has Justin Upton sometimes had a tough time living up to the hype? Sure. But he just finished his 24 year old season. 24!!!! That's how old Bryce Brentz is essentially.

 

Hes' still learning. It would be great for the Sox to pick him up and grab him during the years where he will project to blow up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Red Sox are no longer on Justin Upton's no-trade list.

 

That's terrific news. Although it likely wasn't going to stop a deal, it's still great news.

 

Go get this deal done, Cherrington.

[rjortiz]

Just a 1 year deal for 3mm? No risk in that whatsoever, and if he gets back on track, he's got a ton of upside.

 

Ignorant statement.

[Palodios]

Couple things:

 

1. Upton plays significantly better defense than Ross.

2. Upton, at Fenway Park, would bump his numbers pretty well, just like they bumped Ross's.

3. Upton is also capable of swiping 20 bags.

 

Has Justin Upton sometimes had a tough time living up to the hype? Sure. But he just finished his 24 year old season. 24!!!! That's how old Bryce Brentz is essentially.

 

Hes' still learning. It would be great for the Sox to pick him up and grab him during the years where he will project to blow up.

 

It isn't like Justin Upton is some superstar defensive whiz. Over his career, he's been pretty much dead-center average.

 

He's probably going to cost one of the B's, and maybe another very good piece like Cecchini/ Doubront/ Lavarnway. If he can be had for cheap then awesome, let's do it. Otherwise, even if he adds .100 OPS to his stats and stays perfectly healthy over that time, I'm still not sure if he's worth it.

 

There are so many options available. Hamilton, BJ Upton, Bourn, Victorino, Cabrera, Swisher, Ross, Pagan, Hunter. Trade options like Choo, Willingham and plenty of others are out there.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ignorant statement.

 

Another incredibly insightful post.

 

Such a good contribution from you.

[SoxSport]

Thyey do have some holes in the field, but I'd like to see them use most of their resources on upgrading their pitching. You can get away with a bunch of scrubs on the field if you have top notch pitching. Look at the As. Even the Orioles, who overachieved wildly in pitching this year. Then there's the Giants.