Matt Barnes Thread

[a700hitter]

For someone who is all about pitching this seems like a surprising side to take. It is very hard to pick up arms like his in the draft unless you are picking in the top half so the fact that the Red Sox grabbed a SP with command of an upper-90's FB is pretty rare. Definitely someone to hold onto IMO.

Pitching is very important, but prospects are prospects. If he could help land King Felix, I'd pack his bags and drive him to the airport.

[SouthieFanatic]

Hernandez would be great to have, but who else would we have to throw in the deal? My untouchables would be 1. Bradley 2. Bogaerts. Anybody else is fair game in my book

[SemperFi Sox]

Hernandez would be great to have' date=' but who else would we have to throw in the deal? My untouchables would be 1. Bradley 2. Bogaerts. Anybody else is fair game in my book[/quote']

 

I'd deal Bradley before Bogaerts.

[SouthieFanatic]

I'd deal Bradley before Bogaerts.

 

Yeah I meant to put Bogaerts before Jackie, but they are very valuable. I'd hate to see either of them go. Although Jackie is doing very very well in Portland right now. .316 through 25 games isn't too shabby. I wonder if he keeps this up through the rest of the season will they start him in Pawtucket in 2013

[SemperFi Sox]

Yeah I meant to put Bogaerts before Jackie' date=' but they are very valuable. I'd hate to see either of them go. Although Jackie is doing very very well in Portland right now. .316 through 25 games isn't too shabby. I wonder if he keeps this up through the rest of the season will they start him in Pawtucket in 2013[/quote']

 

I'd say there is a pretty good chance he starts in AAA, at the very least a June call up from Portland.

[example1]

I hope people remember how Hanley Ramirez's progress went. He was so highly touted that when he got to higher levels of the minors and had a mediocre season (.720 OPS at AA at 22) people lost sight of what he could become a bit.

 

Xander is SO young that he might still take 4-6 years to reach his ceiling. People have to be patient with that and the Sox could end up with a Longoria/Hanley type talent.

[2004 ALCS]

Hernandez would be great to have' date=' but who else would we have to throw in the deal? My untouchables would be 1. Bradley 2. Bogaerts. Anybody else is fair game in my book[/quote']

 

What about Middlebrooks even though he's no longer a "prospect"? I think the chances of us acquiring Felix without at least one of Middlebrooks, Bradley or Bogaerts are remote.

[ellsburyforMVP]

What about Middlebrooks even though he's no longer a "prospect"? I think the chances of us acquiring Felix without at least one of Middlebrooks' date=' Bradley or Bogaerts are remote.[/quote']

 

Then we are stuck with punto at 3b? Or *gasp* Chone figgins? ( I'm assuming the mariners would want to get away from his contract and sub-.200 avg. )

 

Middlebrooks is off-limits..... The recipe to winning does not involve fixing one hole while creating a gap at another position

[2004 ALCS]

Then we are stuck with punto at 3b? Or *gasp* Chone figgins? ( I'm assuming the mariners would want to get away from his contract and sub-.200 avg. )

 

Middlebrooks is off-limits..... The recipe to winning does not involve fixing one hole while creating a gap at another position

 

I also very much want to keep Middlebrooks. But he's probably the first player Seattle would ask for. You don't get one of the best starting pitchers of a generation who is without giving up your best young players.

[Palodios]

I also very much want to keep Middlebrooks. But he's probably the first player Seattle would ask for. You don't get one of the best starting pitchers of a generation who is without giving up your best young players.

 

Middlebrooks, the Ryans, and the killer B's all look to have bright futures. Seattle would probably ask for three of those guys, and at 20 million a year for Felix, I just don't think it is worth it. Especially considering that you could get Garza for only one of those prospects, and considering that Felix pitches 100+ games in either Seattle or Oakland.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Middlebrooks' date=' the Ryans, and the killer B's all look to have bright futures. Seattle would probably ask for three of those guys, and at 20 million a year for Felix, I just don't think it is worth it. Especially considering that you could get Garza for only one of those prospects, and considering that Felix pitches 100+ games in either Seattle or Oakland.[/quote']

 

I'm not one for selling the entire farm system for a guy...... Look all these yrs later and we still all get hard-ons when the inevitable " Hanley Ramirez to Boston " rumors get started ( and yes I realize that trade helped us win the world series ) but, you get what I'm saying

 

 

And for the record.... I was against it....SS is a vital position and we've had a revolving door at SS since nomar

[SouthieFanatic]

What about Middlebrooks even though he's no longer a "prospect"? I think the chances of us acquiring Felix without at least one of Middlebrooks' date=' Bradley or Bogaerts are remote.[/quote']

 

Call me crazy if you want, but i'd give up Middlebrooks before Bogaerts. Bradley before Middlebrooks. If the sox could pull off a trade with Lester, Iglesias, Lavarnway/Kalish and one other average prospect i'd consider that a good deal. Be nice if they'd take Beckett, but that's just wishful thinking no way that's happening

[SouthieFanatic]

Middlebrooks' date=' the Ryans, and the killer B's all look to have bright futures. Seattle would probably ask for three of those guys, and at 20 million a year for Felix, I just don't think it is worth it. Especially considering that you could get Garza for only one of those prospects, and considering that Felix pitches 100+ games in either Seattle or Oakland.[/quote']

 

I like your theory, if the only way to acquire Felix is giving up bogaerts, bradley and middlebrooks then it's an absolute NO!. I'm a farm system kind of guy, so it would kill me to see them go. Especially since they could acquire another very good pitcher like a Garza for far less

[SemperFi Sox]

I'd only trade for King Felix if Lester is the big piece going from our side, I'd rather center a package around him then multiple top prospects. I'm sure Seattle would want at least one of our top 3 prospects though. They reportedly would want offense in a trade for Hernandez so Lester/Iglesias...etc might not work.

[jacksonianmarch]

Prior to this season, the Yankees had 3 top 50 prospects in Montero, Betances and Banuelos with one of them being a catcher and a top 5 prospect. We offered all 3 for Felix and the M's turned us down. Your farm has taken a jump upwards, and have 3 guys on the cusp of the top 50 (depending on the source) in Bradley, Barnes, and Bogaerts. If they turned down our package, a package of those 3 above likely wont get it done. The M's, rightfully so, want a Herschel Walker kind of deal. They'll get more realistic prior to his final contract season

[SouthieFanatic]

Prior to this season' date=' the Yankees had 3 top 50 prospects in Montero, Betances and Banuelos with one of them being a catcher and a top 5 prospect. We offered all 3 for Felix and the M's turned us down. Your farm has taken a jump upwards, and have 3 guys on the cusp of the top 50 (depending on the source) in Bradley, Barnes, and Bogaerts. If they turned down our package, a package of those 3 above likely wont get it done. The M's, rightfully so, want a Herschel Walker kind of deal. They'll get more realistic prior to his final contract season[/quote']

 

I remember seeing Bradley and Bogaerts and Barnes in the top 50 mid-season. Maybe theyd like those more then your top 3 prospects. Either way im personally against them trading 1 of them let alone all 3

[a700hitter]

From CBS Sportsline:

 

Matt Barnes, SP, BOS

News: Red Sox pitching prospect Matt Barnes is battling through some adversity at Class A Salem. The 2011 first-round pick ran his winless streak to four starts (0-2) with a loss Saturday. Barnes is 0-2 with a 10.13 ERA in four starts since the second half kicked off in the Carolina League. He was 5-1 with a 1.37 ERA in his first eight starts for Salem.

Analysis: Barnes was cruising before the Carolina League All-Star break, which included a 2-0 record and 0.34 ERA in five starts for low Class A Greenville. However, this should be a good test for Barnes. Let's see how he handles the adversity. Despite his recent struggles, Barnes has had a productive year in the minors. He has 105 strikeouts to just 19 walks in 86 innings. He also has a .211 opponents' batting average. He has the chance to move quickly through the minors after coming out of college as a polished pitcher. Barnes has emerged as a viable long-term Fantasy keeper.

[SouthieFanatic]

He's had a solid season up to this point. Great start, mediocre middle of the season. Hopefully he can finish strong and possibly start AA next year

[Station 13]

His has start 1 run in 5. That's already a bounce back.

[kapsis21]

interesting article here, check out our farm system from 2005 that was rock solid....

 

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/content/20120825-deal-helps-restock-bostons-farm-system.ece

 

 

2011

4. Anthony Ranaudo

8. Matt Barnes

Ranaudo has endured a lost season thanks to shoulder issues, and significant questions have followed about his ability to pitch in the major leagues.

2010

1. Casey Kelly

4. Anthony Ranaudo

5. Drake Britton

8. Felix Doubront

9. Stolmy Pimentel

Doubront has been one of the most encouraging developments for the Red Sox this season, making 22 starts and striking out 119 hitters in 1222/3 innings. After rough seasons a year ago, Britton and Pimentel have bounced back, but it’s uncertain whether either can be a starting pitcher in the major leagues.

2009

2. Casey Kelly

6. Junichi Tazawa

Kelly was traded to San Diego in the first Gonzalez deal. Tazawa has been a reliever all season and likely will be a reliever for the rest of his career.

2008

2. Michael Bowden

3. Nick Hagadone

4. Daniel Bard

6. Casey Kelly

10. Stolmy Pimentel

Bowden is among the most disappointing prospects in recent memory, dominating as a starter and a reliever at Triple-A Pawtucket but never panning out in the majors.

2007

1. Clay Buchholz

4. Justin Masterson

7. Michael Bowden

8. Nick Hagadone

Before Doubront this season — and Doubront hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire — Buchholz was the last capable major-league starter the Red Sox produced from their farm system.

2006

2. Clay Buchholz

3. Michael Bowden

4. Daniel Bard

7. Bryce Cox

8. Craig Hansen

9. Kris Johnson

Johnson likewise was a tremendous disappointment, a supplemental-first-round pick who washed out at Triple A.

2005

2. Jon Lester

3. Jonathan Papelbon

4. Craig Hansen

8. Manny Delcarmen

10. Clay Buchholz

Lester, Papelbon, Buchholz — and even Delcarmen, who was a useful bullpen piece for several years. That’s what the Red Sox are trying to get back to.

[Thunder]

Watched Barnes play at UConn, he throws gas. Can't wait to see him with the Sox one day.

[a700hitter]

interesting article here, check out our farm system from 2005 that was rock solid....

 

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/content/20120825-deal-helps-restock-bostons-farm-system.ece

 

 

2011

4. Anthony Ranaudo

8. Matt Barnes

Ranaudo has endured a lost season thanks to shoulder issues, and significant questions have followed about his ability to pitch in the major leagues.

2010

1. Casey Kelly

4. Anthony Ranaudo

5. Drake Britton

8. Felix Doubront

9. Stolmy Pimentel

Doubront has been one of the most encouraging developments for the Red Sox this season, making 22 starts and striking out 119 hitters in 1222/3 innings. After rough seasons a year ago, Britton and Pimentel have bounced back, but it’s uncertain whether either can be a starting pitcher in the major leagues.

2009

2. Casey Kelly

6. Junichi Tazawa

Kelly was traded to San Diego in the first Gonzalez deal. Tazawa has been a reliever all season and likely will be a reliever for the rest of his career.

2008

2. Michael Bowden

3. Nick Hagadone

4. Daniel Bard

6. Casey Kelly

10. Stolmy Pimentel

Bowden is among the most disappointing prospects in recent memory, dominating as a starter and a reliever at Triple-A Pawtucket but never panning out in the majors.

2007

1. Clay Buchholz

4. Justin Masterson

7. Michael Bowden

8. Nick Hagadone

Before Doubront this season — and Doubront hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire — Buchholz was the last capable major-league starter the Red Sox produced from their farm system.

2006

2. Clay Buchholz

3. Michael Bowden

4. Daniel Bard

7. Bryce Cox

8. Craig Hansen

9. Kris Johnson

Johnson likewise was a tremendous disappointment, a supplemental-first-round pick who washed out at Triple A.

2005

2. Jon Lester

3. Jonathan Papelbon

4. Craig Hansen

8. Manny Delcarmen

10. Clay Buchholz

Lester, Papelbon, Buchholz — and even Delcarmen, who was a useful bullpen piece for several years. That’s what the Red Sox are trying to get back to.

It's worth noting that Lester and Delcarmen were not drafted by Theo.

[kapsis21]

It's worth noting that Lester and Delcarmen were not drafted by Theo.

 

really, did not know that.. who was it?

[a700hitter]

really, did not know that.. who was it?

Mike Port was the interim GM between Duquette (fired March 2002) and Theo (hired November 2002)

[kapsis21]

Mike Port was the interim GM between Duquette (fired March 2002) and Theo (hired November 2002)

 

thanks.

[Behindenemylines]

When will we see Barnes in Boston? 2014?

[Station 13]

When will we see Barnes in Boston? 2014?

 

Yeah mid 2014...sooner if he wow them.