Ortiz is our only All-star and he's slumping

[NatickStan]

I suppose you could make a case for Salty, but lets face it Pierzynski, Napoli, Mauer and Wieters are better all-around players. Embarrassing.

[Emmz]

BOY?

[yeszir]

This deserves its own thread, for sure

[VA Sox Fan]

This deserves its own thread' date=' for sure[/quote']

 

My thoughts exactly!

[SoxFan9876]

Yea, def.

[redsoxfan3]

I'm pretty pissed about Pedroia being third. He was having a good season before he got that thumb injury. He was batting somewhere around .310 to .315 before he hurt it. He played hurt with it for three weeks and it brought his BA down to somewhere close to .295, then he was out a week and was struggling with getting his timing back. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be a .290 or .300 hitter again before the season is over if he does not get injured again. He is starting to come around offensively again. There is usually a lot of love for Pedroia, but this season there are a lot of bandwagon Texas fans. The All-Star voting is usually a good indicator who the bandwagon fans are voting for. Cano and Kinsler are not having much better years than Pedroia. Cano has had better power numbers than both, but Pedroia is pretty comparable to both. Not to mention Pedroia is probably the best defensive second baseman out of the three. If it wasn't for Pedroia playing hurt for three weeks and struggling after his injury, he is probably batting over .300 with better power numbers. As of now it is just a popularity contest. Last year Pedroia was hitting s***** to start the year and really turned things around in the second half. I see him doing that again this year. I see him winning another GG.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm pretty pissed about Pedroia being third. He was having a good season before he got that thumb injury. He was batting somewhere around .310 to .315 before he hurt it. He played hurt with it for three weeks and it brought his BA down to somewhere close to .295' date=' then he was out a week and was struggling with getting his timing back. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be a .290 or .300 hitter again before the season is over if he does not get injured again. He is starting to come around offensively again. There is usually a lot of love for Pedroia, but this season there are a lot of bandwagon Texas fans. The All-Star voting is usually a good indicator who the bandwagon fans are voting for. Cano and Kinsler are not having much better years than Pedroia. Cano has had better power numbers than both, but Pedroia is pretty comparable to both. Not to mention Pedroia is probably the best defensive second baseman out of the three. If it wasn't for Pedroia playing hurt for three weeks and struggling after his injury, he is probably batting over .300 with better power numbers. As of now it is just a popularity contest. Last year Pedroia was hitting s***** to start the year and really turned things around in the second half. I see him doing that again this year. I see him winning another GG.[/quote']

 

This post redefines homerific. Pedroia is giving away 126 points of OPS, 6 HR's, 5RBI, and every slash line statistic. In year's past, you have had a gripe. This yr, there is zero credibility to this argument

[redsoxbeatz]

Ortiz is our best player.

 

He should be the 154m dollar man and Gonzalez should be the one fighting for a contract.

[redsoxfan3]

This post redefines homerific. Pedroia is giving away 126 points of OPS' date=' 6 HR's, 5RBI, and every slash line statistic. In year's past, you have had a gripe. This yr, there is zero credibility to this argument[/quote']

 

My argument is that Pedroia was doing good before he actually go injured about a month ago. That is before he had a huge drop with his stats. The All-Star voting was started way before May 12 when his numbers were pretty impressive. He had .321 BA, .385 OBP, and a .913 OPS. Cano's numbers now were not as good as Pedroia's then. My only argument is that I am surprised that he does not have more because of how good he was doing. I know that now Cano's numbers are better than Pedroia's. That is clear.

[ellsburyforMVP]

This post redefines homerific. Pedroia is giving away 126 points of OPS' date=' 6 HR's, 5RBI, and every slash line statistic. In year's past, you have had a gripe. This yr, there is zero credibility to this argument[/quote']

 

Your a yankee homer, he's a Red Sox homer......who the F cares? I love how when people get on here and show love for their team, and take their favorite players sides, they are called a " homer"?? I love my family and take up for them at all cost's, does that make me a "homer"?

 

Jacko, you've said some pretty outlandish things, and even when the yanks were only a couple gms above .500, you defended them as much as you should ( thats your team, i do the same for the sox ) and were still making "the grass is greener on the other side posts".... My only question is, did anyone call you a homer?

 

Your an intelligent guy, you seem to know an awful lot about baseball, just because he wants OUR 2nd baseman to make the all-star gm instead of YOUR 2b, does not make him a homer......the word that comes to my mind is "fan":D

[jacksonianmarch]

Your a yankee homer, he's a Red Sox homer......who the F cares? I love how when people get on here and show love for their team, and take their favorite players sides, they are called a " homer"?? I love my family and take up for them at all cost's, does that make me a "homer"?

 

Jacko, you've said some pretty outlandish things, and even when the yanks were only a couple gms above .500, you defended them as much as you should ( thats your team, i do the same for the sox ) and were still making "the grass is greener on the other side posts".... My only question is, did anyone call you a homer?

 

Your an intelligent guy, you seem to know an awful lot about baseball, just because he wants OUR 2nd baseman to make the all-star gm instead of YOUR 2b, does not make him a homer......the word that comes to my mind is "fan":D

 

A homer is an unrealistic fan. An All Star game is theoretically supposed to have the best players at their position for that season playing against each other. There is zero chance that you'd find any fan outside of Boston who would say that Pedroia fits that bill this season. He just doesnt

[SoxFanForsyth]

A homer is an unrealistic fan. An All Star game is theoretically supposed to have the best players at their position for that season playing against each other. There is zero chance that you'd find any fan outside of Boston who would say that Pedroia fits that bill this season. He just doesnt

 

Lets be honest. For the most part, the ASG is a popularity contest. That's why Jeter made the ASG last year, and until he dropped out, Asdrubal Cabrera wasn't starting.

 

I don't think Pedroia deserves the votes this year, don't get me wrong. He could get white hot and go on a 25 game tear where he hits .455/.530/.620 with 6 HR and then he's got a case, but not right now.

 

And to be honest, that's fine if he doesn't make it. I'd much rather see Pedroia at home resting for the 2nd half. I'd rather have a healthy, rested Pedroia for the 2nd half than a tired Pedroia that made the ASG.

[ellsburyforMVP]

A homer is an unrealistic fan. An All Star game is theoretically supposed to have the best players at their position for that season playing against each other. There is zero chance that you'd find any fan outside of Boston who would say that Pedroia fits that bill this season. He just doesnt

 

But aren't all fans, at some point in time a little unrealistic? I want the pats,sox and celtics to win every gm every yr ( I know this is impossible and unrealistic ) but I hate losing.

 

Don't you want the Yankees to win the series this yr? I'm sure you think they have a chance to win? I'm sure the majority of people outside of new york would say thats unrealistic... Does that not then make you , by your definition, a homer?

[redsoxfan3]

A homer is an unrealistic fan. An All Star game is theoretically supposed to have the best players at their position for that season playing against each other. There is zero chance that you'd find any fan outside of Boston who would say that Pedroia fits that bill this season. He just doesnt

 

Like I said, my point before was that Pedroia was putting up better numbers than Cano before he got injured. At that time the All-Star voting was going on. I said I am pretty pissed because Pedroia is third. How does that make me an unrealistic fan? I know Pedroia's numbers are not as good as Cano's right now, I stated that.

 

Pedroia is better defensively than Cano. There is more to baseball than just offensive numbers. A lot of fans really only pay attention to the offensive numbers. Cano's OPS is significantly better than Kinsler's and Pedroia's, but Pedroia and Kinsler are in the same neighborhood.

 

It is actually funny that you say that "there is zero chance that you'd fine any fan outside of Boston who would say that Pedroia fits that bill this season." It was a Yankees fan that brought it up to me at a baseball game. He was the one saying that Pedroia is better than Cano defensively and that he thinks the votes should be closer. I don't typically care about All-Star games, but I was just surprised the votes are not closer. I never once said that I think he should have more votes than Cano. I also was just pointing out that there are a lot of people on the Texas bandwagon now that they are playing well.

 

You can call me a homer if you want, but I am actually a pretty realistic fan. I don't go around saying the Red Sox are the best team in baseball when we are one game under .500. We have all had our moments of being a homer. You like to compare every Red Sox situation to a Yankees situation. We sign a new prospect, what do you do? You find a Yankee player to compare him to. We sign a free agent, what do you do? You compare that free agent to the Yankees and somehow bring the Yankees into it. A Red Sox player is struggling, what do you do? You compare that player to a Yankees player.

 

I do not mind Yankees fans one bit. I actually have several friends who are Yankees fans. A lot of them are really intelligent baseball fans and they are fun to talk to. This is a Red Sox forum. I do not mind you posting here at all, because like I said, I don't mind Yankees fan. However, it can get annoying when you bring up the Yankees all the time during Red Sox threads, but I have never once brought it up until now. Before you start going around calling someone a homer and saying I am redefining "homerific," maybe you should take a look in the mirror.

[Emmz]

Pedroia is also a better player in general than Cano, but that's not the point. Pedey's struggling.

[redsoxfan3]

Pedroia is also a better player in general than Cano' date=' but that's not the point. Pedey's struggling.[/quote']

 

That is up for debate. I think defensively Pedroia is the better 2B. Usually Cano has better power numbers and their career numbers are pretty close in terms of BA, OBP, and OPS [(Pedroia: .303, .370, .830), (Cano: .307, .347, .871)]. Pedroia has more career stolen bases, but Cano beats him in almost every power category.

 

Pedroia has been struggling lately after coming back from his injury, but he does have six hits in the last six games. I think he is starting to get his timing back.

[Emmz]

No it isn't, Pedroia is significantly better defensively, and their OPS+ are 3 pts apart, with Pedey struggling and Cano being above his career average. There's no argument to be made.

[redsoxfan3]

No it isn't' date=' Pedroia is significantly better defensively, and their OPS+ are 3 pts apart, with Pedey struggling and Cano being above his career average. There's no argument to be made.[/quote']

 

That is just one stat. Pedroia is better defensively, but then again Pedroia only has two GG's and Cano has one. Cano has three career SS's and Pedroia has only one. I know awards do not mean a lot, but I think you have to take other stats into consideration other than OPS+. I am not saying Cano is the better overall player. All I am saying is that it is up for debate. I think that Pedroia means more to the Red Sox in terms of leadership than Cano does to the Yankees. Pedroia is to the Red Sox as Jeter is to the Yankees.

[Emmz]

Lol, GGs? SS? Are you serious? You're trying too hard to "be reasonable", and in effect are not being reasonable yourself. By every metric, Pedroia is superior. Sabermetrics agree with me, basic stats for grandpas agree with me. You can say anything's up for debate. And I could probably shell out stat after stat without convincing someone, but Pedroia has been better, and it's not that close. Cano has been more valuable than Pedroia twice, and one of those was during his rookie season. Pedroia has been significantly more valuable since they've both been active, rookie year included.

[SoxSport]

Papi could use a day off--here and there. It's a mental game, too, especially for a DH.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano has been WAYYYY better than Pedroia defensively this yr. Look at the UZR/150's

[Brennan]

Cano has been WAYYYY better than Pedroia defensively this yr. Look at the UZR/150's

 

 

 

Go tell someone who cares (like on a yankoff board) besides, left handed hitters in the new yankoff stadium hit HR's every time they pop out to the short porch.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Go tell someone who cares (like on a yankoff board) besides' date=' left handed hitters in the new yankoff stadium hit HR's every time they pop out to the short porch.[/quote']

 

Which has what to do with defensive stats?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Go tell someone who cares (like on a yankoff board) besides' date=' left handed hitters in the new yankoff stadium hit HR's every time they pop out to the short porch.[/quote']

You sure do have an obsession with yanking off.

[d-money]

I cant kill Ortiz.He has been the only good thing in this lineup.Gonzalez is having a f***ing lousy year with the power stats.

[SoxSport]

I don't know that Ortiz has done anything more than just correct a bit after a big start hitting. He still looks good at the plate.

 

What's surprising to many is his defense at 1B. Had a hell of a good game today there defensively.

He isn't very mobile at his age, but he certainly can play there in a pinch.

 

It's time to sit Gonzo down a few games. He's swinging at bad pitches.

[SoxSport]

Cano has been WAYYYY better than Pedroia defensively this yr. Look at the UZR/150's

 

Forget this year. Pedey is playing hurt. Besides, it's still early.

[redsoxfan3]

Lol' date=' GGs? SS? Are you serious? You're trying too hard to "be reasonable", and in effect are not being reasonable yourself. By every metric, Pedroia is superior. Sabermetrics agree with me, basic stats for grandpas agree with me. You can say anything's up for debate. And I could probably shell out stat after stat without convincing someone, but Pedroia has been better, and it's not that close. Cano has been more valuable than Pedroia twice, and one of those was during his rookie season. Pedroia has been significantly more valuable since they've both been active, rookie year included.[/quote']

 

I am just stating facts. It is debatable. Cano has the better power numbers. If you think that I am saying Pedroia is not the better player, I am sorry I led you to that impression. He is my favorite player and has been ever since he got called up to Boston. I would debate in favor of Pedroia if I had to choose. I am just saying that someone can make a case for Cano. I do agree with you. Sabermetrics do agree with you, but at the same time those "grandpa stats" for their careers are pretty close when it comes to BA, OBP, and OPS.

[Emmz]

Cano has been WAYYYY better than Pedroia defensively this yr. Look at the UZR/150's

 

Lol, great sample size. Cano usn't better. Don't split hairs, we know you're a homer, but you should drop that s*** before you try to make the argument you want to, but cannot make.

[Emmz]

I am just stating facts. It is debatable. Cano has the better power numbers. If you think that I am saying Pedroia is not the better player' date=' I am sorry I led you to that impression. He is my favorite player and has been ever since he got called up to Boston. I would debate in favor of Pedroia if I had to choose. I am just saying that someone can make a case for Cano. I do agree with you. Sabermetrics do agree with you, but at the same time those "grandpa stats" for their careers are pretty close when it comes to BA, OBP, and OPS.[/quote']

 

What part of this don't you comprehend, Pedroia is vastly superior defensively, and at least par offensively with Cano. Seriously bro, just stop. I have stats. You have awards. Like I said, you can make any argument. It doesn't mean you're not incorrect.

 

You are saying its really close, but it definitely isn't.