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I would say Yastrzemski was one of the toughest players ever. The only time I can remember him being hurt was in (I think) the strike shortened 1972 season. He hurt his knee in a collision at home. The first doctor told him he would need season ending surgery, so Yaz went looking for another opinion. He found one (probably also a fan) who told him to rest it. That is what he did, and I believe that was the only time he was ever on the DL.

 

Yastrzemski was tough and one of my all-time favorites, but Pedroia plays the game harder. Writers, fans, and others sometimes accused Yaz of dogging it. No one will ever say that about Pedroia.

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I would say Yastrzemski was one of the toughest players ever. The only time I can remember him being hurt was in (I think) the strike shortened 1972 season. He hurt his knee in a collision at home. The first doctor told him he would need season ending surgery, so Yaz went looking for another opinion. He found one (probably also a fan) who told him to rest it. That is what he did, and I believe that was the only time he was ever on the DL.

 

Yastrzemski was tough and one of my all-time favorites, but Pedroia plays the game harder. Writers, fans, and others sometimes accused Yaz of dogging it. No one will ever say that about Pedroia.

Yep, prior to 1967 he did dog it at times, and he heard about it. Part of it had to do with playing meaningless games by June and coming in last place. After 1967, he always played hard. Dick Williams tried to make an example of him in 1969 to light a fire under the team. It didn't work, and Yaz basically told him that he would punch his lights out. After '67, Yaz never dogged it, Williams assertion aside. He was always prepared to play and went to the post every day. No teammate of his will eer say he didn't work and play hard.
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So Pedey gets the Bailey injury? Must be contageous.

Yeah, but what does Cafardo think?

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While it is true that we have still scored runs regardless of all the injuries and while also true that our starting pitching and our pitching generally will have much more of an impact on success or failure, in Pedey we have the one injury that does effect the success of our pitching because he is the best defender we have. Agons is a great 1st baseman but I will trade great at 1st to get great at 2nd any day. Think of the number of plays Pedey has made this year that neither Punto nor Aviles will come close to making at 2nd. It might make sense to move Aviles over and bring Iggy up as Iggy might help our pitching staff with his defense. However regardless of whether or not we miss Pedey's offense he is finally the one player that will be difficult to give up defensively if he cannot play.
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I understand the difference' date=' but not a lot of guys will continue to play in the regular season if they need lidocaine to numb their pain.[/quote']

 

Not trying to diminish Schilling's or Pedroia's guts here at all. Think JD Drew who wouldn't play even with a hangnail. I remember Francona ordering Drew out to RF one game in which he was "too hurt" to play. Baseball players in general are soft in that regard. Was in Matt Light who played with a torn ACL in the playoffs last year? And hockey players are all tough as nails. Pierce is playing basketball with a sore knee, and Ray Allen has very painful ankles; they are both playing. While some baseball players are willing to play at less than 100%, too often they take weeks off for relatively minor injuries.

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Why not bring up Pedro Ciriaco (hitting .304/.723 at Pawtucket this year and who did very well in spring training) and give Pedroia time to heal?
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Not trying to diminish Schilling's or Pedroia's guts here at all. Think JD Drew who wouldn't play even with a hangnail. I remember Francona ordering Drew out to RF one game in which he was "too hurt" to play. Baseball players in general are soft in that regard. Was in Matt Light who played with a torn ACL in the playoffs last year? And hockey players are all tough as nails. Pierce is playing basketball with a sore knee' date=' and Ray Allen has very painful ankles; they are both playing. While some baseball players are willing to play at less than 100%, too often they take weeks off for relatively minor injuries.[/quote']We had no OFers left and JD had just hit a HR and claimed some muscle tightened up. Tito told him that we had no one left to play OF. JD was on the DL the next day and missed 2 weeks from a tight muscle.
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the human body is an astounding thing. get your ass out there ped

 

put the mlb on the paleo diet plz.

 

I've been watching Manny Ramirez highlights since he just became eligible for the majors. Wish he was 28 yrs young & playing for us again

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Bobby V: Pedroia back sooner than projected

By: Alex Speier

 

Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine, in his weekly appearance on WEEI's The Big Show, said that Dustin Pedroia is showing early signs of healing from his torn adductor muscle in his right thumb, giving the team confidence that the second baseman might not need to be placed on the disabled list.

 

"We just had a meeting before I came here, [GM Ben Cherington] and I and Dustin. He’s on the mend. He heals pretty quickly. He’s a determined guy," said Valentine. "I don't think he's going to have to swing for a day or two, but I think he’ll be back a lot sooner than projected."

 

Valentine said that Mike Aviles will bat second on Wednesday night, and that the team expects Nick Punto to be able to fill in while Pedroia is down.

 

"I don’t think there will be anything in stone," Valentine said of who will handle second base. "We’ll have to be flexible and adapt to playing without Dustin. ... We got [Punto] to be the backup in the middle infield. He had a nice little game last night and I think he can perform. No one can perform at Dustin’s level. We don’t want to say he’ll fill the void. But I think with him performing and the other guys filling in, we'll be fine."

 

Sounds like no DL stint, just maybe the next 2 days off. From my comprehension, seems like he'll be back in the lineup in TOR.

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Why not bring up Pedro Ciriaco (hitting .304/.723 at Pawtucket this year and who did very well in spring training) and give Pedroia time to heal?

 

I would like to see Valentine put Middlebrooks at second base. I know he has never played there and might have some trouble with the footwork, but it would replace Pedroia with the best possible bat.

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I would like to see Valentine put Middlebrooks at second base. I know he has never played there and might have some trouble with the footwork' date=' but it would replace Pedroia with the best possible bat.[/quote']

 

Apparently they are going to let him try to play through it. I think thats a mistake and risks further injury and possibly the entire season for Pedroia. And I don't trust our medical staff much at all, either in their ability to diagnose a problem nor in their ability to treat it.

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If he plays' date=' you won't hear any of it, but yes, Yaz would've played with it taped tight and not just when he was young, but when he was in his late 30's and early 40's. Whatever happened to athletic tape? It's gone the way of the Dodo bird. I guess only boxers use it today. You never see a baseball player taped up. The pampered princesses all have to be pain free to play. We'll see if Pedroia is a throwback. I hope that he is. A one handed Pedroia is better than Punto any day of the week.[/quote']

 

Pedroia is a tough player and I know he will play if he can, but I still cannot understand how so many of our colleagues here fail to realize that players in the past played with such injuries such as Yaz, as you mentioned. Pete Rose played hurt, so did Joe Morgan, so this Henry Aaron, so did Maury Wills, so did Frank Robinson, Brooks, hell, even Mickey Mantle, the human mummy himself. Hard to fathom, though, how all these injuries keep hammering away at us; it's as if the Man upstairs has a real beef with the Red Sox.

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Pedroia is a tough player and I know he will play if he can' date=' but I still cannot understand how so many of our colleagues here fail to realize that players in the past played with such injuries such as Yaz, as you mentioned. Pete Rose played hurt, so did Joe Morgan, so this Henry Aaron, so did Maury Wills, so did Frank Robinson, Brooks, hell, even Mickey Mantle, the human mummy himself. Hard to fathom, though, how all these injuries keep hammering away at us; it's [b']as if the Man upstairs has a real beef with the Red Sox.[/b]

 

Did you see last September?

 

God is clearly a Rays fan.

 

And for what it's worth, almost all of these DL trips are decided by the FO, not by the players, and the rehab stints are closely observed by the training staff. So it's tough to call out the players when they would rather play through the injuries except for every wince a player makes is analyzed and the FO throws them on the DL.

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Sounds like no DL stint' date=' just maybe the next 2 days off. From my comprehension, seems like he'll be back in the lineup in TOR.[/quote']

 

I think I heard Valentine say the same thing about Cody Ross a little while back. Seems he's nowhere to be seen in the dugout and his re-appearance is nowhere near very very soon. I'll believe his take on Pedroia when I see Dustin in the lineup---and when the hell is Ross going to be ready to play----and Crawford and Ellsbury? They should be healed by now.

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The Ross injury is a little baffling to me. That is the one I really don't get from the perspective of the amount of time he is apparently going to miss.

 

Ells, big joint injury in the upper body

 

Crawford, keeps adding injuries on top of injuries, not sure I understand why he went from one injury to the next especially now that it appears that his elbow is the bigger issue. He suddenly can't throw. I know we heard about that injury but when the hell did an injury that is preventing him from throwing for months happen?

 

Pedey, we have seen what happens with thumbs when it comes to hitting before so I just don't know what to think about this one yet.

 

I get Bailey although that seems more like a very unfortunate injury more than anything else.

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I think I heard Valentine say the same thing about Cody Ross a little while back. Seems he's nowhere to be seen in the dugout and his re-appearance is nowhere near very very soon. I'll believe his take on Pedroia when I see Dustin in the lineup---and when the hell is Ross going to be ready to play----and Crawford and Ellsbury? They should be healed by now.

 

Ross is expected to back in June sometime. It is hard to tell when in June, but let's just hope it is sometime soon. Ellsbury's time table is early July. Crawford's is also in July. Let's just hope we get all of these guys back healthy sometime in July. That is ideal.

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With how many injuries this team has sustained and the players they have lost/traded (lowrie, reddick, papsmear) that they are above .500 right now oh yah and no to forget the horrid pitching they had to deal with for the first month (it has since improve, obvs.)

 

got to congratulate the team on that for sure.

 

I read somewhere briefly that Pedroia will be playing with a brace!? Way to go!

 

Crawford is starting to look like a little bitch. 20m/yr ya ya ya but he's like 28? 28 year old KID can't keep himself healthy?

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With how many injuries this team has sustained and the players they have lost/traded (lowrie' date=' reddick, papsmear) that they are [b']above .500[/b] right now oh yah and no to forget the horrid pitching they had to deal with for the first month (it has since improve, obvs.)

 

got to congratulate the team on that for sure.

 

I read somewhere briefly that Pedroia will be playing with a brace!? Way to go!

 

Crawford is starting to look like a little bitch. 20m/yr ya ya ya but he's like 28? 28 year old KID can't keep himself healthy?

 

It's really the first time in his career he's had trouble with injuries. It happens.

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It's really the first time in his career he's had trouble with injuries. It happens.

 

I remember wondering about Carlton Fisk back in 1974 and '75. He was always injured in those years. I would have never guessed he would have such long and healthy career.

 

There was always a lot of publicity in the 1970s about Johnny Bench playing through broken fingers and toes and other ailments. For a while there, it looked like Fisk was a bit soft. He wasn't.

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Fisk had a problem with getting foul tips off his groin. It happened several times and kept him out of the lineup.

 

That is right, but he apparently got something right after 1975. He was relatively injury free for decades afterward.

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That is right' date=' but he apparently got something right after 1975. He was relatively injury free for decades afterward.[/quote']His knee got torn up bad in a home plate collision with Leron Lee in 1974 and doctors thought his career was over. They told him that he would never walk again without a limp. He would never block the plate after that. He went to the sweep tag. Then in 1975 he broke his arm, which was a blessing in disguise, because it gave him more time to strengthen his knee. When he was able to comeback in 1975, he hit .331. He got hit in the groin a few times during those years. I read that one of his testicles got crushed. Of course the Yankee fans started calling him Carlton "one ball" Fisk. I don't remember anyone even whispering that Fisk was soft. His injuries were brutal in nature.
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If he plays' date=' you won't hear any of it, but yes, Yaz would've played with it taped tight and not just when he was young, but when he was in his late 30's and early 40's. Whatever happened to athletic tape? It's gone the way of the Dodo bird. I guess only boxers use it today. You never see a baseball player taped up. The pampered princesses all have to be pain free to play. We'll see if Pedroia is a throwback. I hope that he is. A one handed Pedroia is better than Punto any day of the week.[/quote']

 

Ronnie Lott cut off part of his finger to keep from being taken out of a game. That was 1985, gramps.

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Ha, did you see Pedey last night all suited up in the dugout and ready to go? With that black glove over his thumb?

They probably had his leg chained to the railing in case he got any ideas. :)

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Ha, did you see Pedey last night all suited up in the dugout and ready to go? With that black glove over his thumb?

They probably had his leg chained to the railing in case he got any ideas. :)

 

Apparently he has no problem playing defense. Its swinging the bat that is a problem for him. Remy mentioned that if the situation dictated it he could come in as a defensive replacement.

I will say this again: I think its a mistake not to DL him until he is healthy. Risking his whole season right now does not make sense to me.

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Ronnie Lott cut off part of his finger to keep from being taken out of a game. That was 1985' date=' gramps.[/quote']I never said that football players are pampered wusses. I have aimed my remarks at modern day baseball players. J.D. Drew would feint just hearing that Ronnie Lott story from 27 years ago. :lol:
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Pedroia takes his cuts

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff June 2, 2012 12:31 PM

 

TORONTO -- Dustin Pedroia just took 25 swings during batting practice on the field.

 

He was asked how he felt.

 

"How did it look?" Pedroia shot back, pleased with all the line drives he hit.

 

Bobby Valentine said they need to see how Pedroia's thumb responds to the session. But the tentative plan is for him to take BP again on Sunday.

 

There seems to be a decent chance Pedroia returns to the lineup on Tuesday.

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