Francona will not attend the 100th birthday at Fenway

[jacksonianmarch]

Francona has 2 replaced knees. Pretty easy to get hooked on narcs after having 2 knee replacements. Those hurt for a long time and typically need pain killers long term

[FredLynn]

Actually, he got pretty good treatment. They gave him the option of leaving on his own.

They did the same with Epstein. The other option was to fire both of them publically.

That's done all the time.

 

They invited him back for the 100th anniversary as a courtesy. That he didn't accept tells you a lot. I don't think he left voluntarily.

 

What about Epstein? Has he been invited?

 

Why does his medical information need to get out in public? That should be confidential.

Yes, he was fired. What about this quote from Francona?:

 

After his contract was not extended at the end of last season, Francona attempted to reach Henry for several weeks, but his phone calls were not acknowledged. When Henry read about this, he called Francona and the two finally spoke in late February (“I thought it was five months too late,’’ said Francona).

 

What about a little courtesy for your former manager? And I also agree with him about this:

 

“When I spoke to John he made me think they were going to make an effort. John and Larry made it clear to me they weren’t responsible for what was said [in the Globe article]. I thought they owed it to me to get to the bottom of it a little bit.’’

 

I just don't think an employee of 8 years deserved who had a modicum of success here deserved this kind of stuff getting out in public.

[jacksonianmarch]

Leaking priviledged medical information is a crime. The Red Sox organization can be prosecuted on the whole for leaking that. It'd be a token fine as punishment, but it would be proof of shady management nonetheless.

[FredLynn]

Leaking priviledged medical information is a crime. The Red Sox organization can be prosecuted on the whole for leaking that. It'd be a token fine as punishment' date=' but it would be proof of shady management nonetheless.[/quote']

 

Its a crime and its unethical as well. Not sure how much of a crime it is though if some batboy relayed some of that stuff about Terry taking some pills during games. The confidential part has to do with medical personnel.

And BTW: while knee replacements are painful for a long time, eventually they become pain free and do not require narcotics long term; and I doubt that an Advil would affect his judgement much during games. Not sure when he had his last surgery.

Are you a doctor too?

[jung]

At the risk of starting an argument I really don't want to start, i have wondered a bit about this post exit stuff. Not sure we see this that often at least not as publicly as some of these instances in baseball.

 

There is some similarity I think between somebody inside the Sox organization deciding to zing Tito after he was already gone and that press release the Yanks made after AJ was gone.

 

I realize that people have feelings. They hold grudges. Stuff happens. But Geez the guy is gone. That is what the team wanted right. The Sox wanted Tito gone. The Yanks wanted AJ gone. As much of a pain in the ass as AJ was "reportedly", as much as he may not have earned his pay (line starts at the left for that one as far as baseball goes) and as much as he must have pissed people off, they got wanted they wanted....AJ gone. Why make such a ham handed effort to tar and feather him on the way out the door. Heck that was a formal, official Yanks press release.

 

While I guess the Sox thing with Tito was a leak, still the Sox wanted him gone and he was gone. Don't know what Tito had done to deserve getting nailed while leaving. Heck it is not like he walked and left the team high and dry while they still wanted him around.

 

I do remember the one thing that pointed at somebody in upper management in Tito's case was at the end, Tito was apparently supposed to play ball and say nothing and he did wonder aloud about whether he really did have the support of upper management. But even there, Tito was talking about the team leaving him a lame duck for the season, which the Sox did do. The only guys that would have been torqued off about that comment were LL and/or JH...more likely LL.

 

I really don't like it. For one thing it smacks of somebody threatening that sort of thing before it happens. "Toe our line or we will not only lock you away but we will throw away the key where nobody will find it". Truth be told, that was the way baseball was in the old days. Maybe in some ways some things have not changed.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Its a crime and its unethical as well. Not sure how much of a crime it is though if some batboy relayed some of that stuff about Terry taking some pills during games. The confidential part has to do with medical personnel.

And BTW: while knee replacements are painful for a long time, eventually they become pain free and do not require narcotics long term; and I doubt that an Advil would affect his judgement much during games. Not sure when he had his last surgery.

Are you a doctor too?

 

Well, judging by the detail and amount of information, I think it was someone much higher up than a bat boy or the equivalent. It was someone from the front office. Not sure who it was, although I hear it was none of the owners. But regardless, you can't be sure. All we know is that there is a massive, massive scumbag that is working with the Red Sox.

 

What needs to happen is for the ownership to say "Listen, Terry. We didn't always see eye to eye, and that's fine. But what was written about you after you left is absolutely unacceptable, and we are going to sniff out the person who divulged the information and you can take whatever actions you want to against him, and obviously he will be fired on the spot. We would love to have you at Fenway for the 100 year anniversary, but completely understand if you decline."

 

But that will never happen because the ownership group is a bunch of egotistical pricks who care about 2 people. Themselves and Benjamin Franklin.

[FredLynn]

Well, judging by the detail and amount of information, I think it was someone much higher up than a bat boy or the equivalent. It was someone from the front office. Not sure who it was, although I hear it was none of the owners. But regardless, you can't be sure. All we know is that there is a massive, massive scumbag that is working with the Red Sox.

 

What needs to happen is for the ownership to say "Listen, Terry. We didn't always see eye to eye, and that's fine. But what was written about you after you left is absolutely unacceptable, and we are going to sniff out the person who divulged the information and you can take whatever actions you want to against him, and obviously he will be fired on the spot. We would love to have you at Fenway for the 100 year anniversary, but completely understand if you decline."

 

But that will never happen because the ownership group is a bunch of egotistical pricks who care about 2 people. Themselves and Benjamin Franklin.

 

Its kind of strange for both of us to be defending Terry Francona after really not being fans of his while he was here. The professionalism shown by upper management to some of the folks leaving Boston is apalling. Your suggested way of dealing with this would have been far better IMO.

[Elktonnick]

Its kind of strange for both of us to be defending Terry Francona after really not being fans of his while he was here. The professionalism shown by upper management to some of the folks leaving Boston is apalling. Your suggested way of dealing with this would have been far better IMO.

 

Actually I suspect that Lucchino tried someting along that line but Francona saw through it when Lucchino admitted that he and Henry never talked after Henry's conversation with Francona. Francona probably has a very good idea who threw him under the bus to the Globe. One reason is Francona was there when they did the same to Nomar. I know it is just speculation on my part but given Francona's eight years with the Red Sox on the inside he knows how this game is played by the FO.

[NativeBostonian]

It's a shame he isn't going to be a part of the celebrations. He was a big part of the team that broke the curse and by doing that, he has become a part of Fenway history.

[Elktonnick]

It's a shame he isn't going to be a part of the celebrations. He was a big part of the team that broke the curse and by doing that' date=' he has become a part of Fenway history. It will be a shame to not have him there, when we look back at the 100 years of Fenway.[/quote']

 

Reminds one of the Berra Steinbrenner fiasco years ago.

[FredLynn]

Actually I suspect that Lucchino tried someting along that line but Francona saw through it when Lucchino admitted that he and Henry never talked after Henry's conversation with Francona. Francona probably has a very good idea who threw him under the bus to the Globe. One reason is Francona was there when they did the same to Nomar. I know it is just speculation on my part but given Francona's eight years with the Red Sox on the inside he knows how this game is played by the FO.

 

Some have postulated that the "rat" was Scutaro because of the curious way he left the team: for no compensation, essentially. I am NOT accusing him, just repeating what others have said. If Francona has a good idea about who the perpetrator is he should "out" him....if he knows with reasonable certainty. Interesting how Epstein seems to have had the red carpet treatment as he left.

[Spitball]

It's a shame he isn't going to be a part of the celebrations. He was a big part of the team that broke the curse and by doing that' date=' he has become a part of Fenway history.[/quote']

 

Give him a few years to get over the pain, and he will return to a long ovation. Right now, it is too soon.

[Elktonnick]

Some have postulated that the "rat" was Scutaro because of the curious way he left the team: for no compensation' date=' essentially. I am NOT accusing him, just repeating what others have said. If Francona has a good idea about who the perpetrator is he should "out" him....if he knows with reasonable certainty. Interesting how Epstein seems to have had the red carpet treatment as he left.[/quote']

 

Knowing and proving are two different things. Besides Francona has the high ground as the victim. It is Lucchino, Hnery et al who are looking like inept vicious fools whose 100 anniversary celebrations are being overshadowed by Francona's absence. I think Francona is getting some satisfaction from that Beesides you know the old Scicilian adage: Revenge is a dish best eaten cold" There is time.

[VA Sox Fan]

Give him a few years to get over the pain' date=' and he will return to a long ovation. Right now, it is too soon.[/quote']

 

Agreed. Even Buckner came back and God knows he didn't have to.

 

In time, Tito will be back. But if he is not, I understand completely.

[NativeBostonian]

Agreed. Even Buckner came back and God knows he didn't have to.

 

In time, Tito will be back. But if he is not, I understand completely.

 

Buckner is welcomed back to Fenway because he signed a contract saying that he wouldn't step a foot near first base.

[VA Sox Fan]

Buckner is welcomed back to Fenway because he signed a contract saying that he wouldn't step a foot near first base.

 

 

That's evil!

[SCM33]

This entire production is going to be an overdone, tacky, fanboy embarrassment.

 

I cringe at the thought of Larry Lucchino and others making speeches.

 

I hope the fans boo the s*** out of this money making scheme......because thats all it is.

[SoxSport]

No sense in speculating where that medical info about Francona came from.

 

Trainers would know. Probably the front office. There are lots of people who work for the Red Sox, and it could have been one of many. I doubt it would come from LL or Henry. Anybody else would be possible.

 

I suspect the same employee who told the Globe about beer and chicken also told them about Francona.

That would make it somebody inside the clubhouse with medical connections as well.

[Gringo]

It's a shame that this ownership always ends things so poorly when people leave the organization. Francona did not deserve to have such personal medical information leaked to the press. It was a despicable accusation' date=' and the FO should have rooted out the source of the story.[/quote']

 

I'm not convinced they weren't the source.....would you put it past Lucchino?

[Gringo]

This entire production is going to be an overdone, tacky, fanboy embarrassment.

 

I cringe at the thought of Larry Lucchino and others making speeches.

 

I hope the fans boo the s*** out of this money making scheme......because thats all it is.

 

But....it's "AMERICA'S MOST BELOVED BALLPARK".....

[Spudboy]

It is a shame. Best manager in my lifetime and helped bring 2 WS. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to participate. Like a700 said' date=' it's a shame what this group does to everyone that leaves. He, of all people, deserved better than that.[/quote']

 

This is EXACTLY how I feel.

 

I will always respect and admire Francona. Not because he won two tittles. Because he is a good and decent human being.

[Spudboy]

Hate is such a strong negative feeling....

 

That being said, i have never hated someone so intensely as Larry Lucchino....

 

I don't waste the energy and time hating anyone. Even my evil ex-wife.

 

Having said that, I have absolutely no respect for Larry Lucchino (SP).

[Spudboy]

Pushing what issue? It is a conversation about something that was in the paper today. Looks like TF is the one pushing it if he had to drag his pet GLOBE reporter and co book author to print his whinning. Get the f*** off the thread if it bothers you.

 

Lighten up Clarance.

[Spudboy]

Well, judging by the detail and amount of information, I think it was someone much higher up than a bat boy or the equivalent. It was someone from the front office. Not sure who it was, although I hear it was none of the owners. But regardless, you can't be sure. All we know is that there is a massive, massive scumbag that is working with the Red Sox.

 

What needs to happen is for the ownership to say "Listen, Terry. We didn't always see eye to eye, and that's fine. But what was written about you after you left is absolutely unacceptable, and we are going to sniff out the person who divulged the information and you can take whatever actions you want to against him, and obviously he will be fired on the spot. We would love to have you at Fenway for the 100 year anniversary, but completely understand if you decline."

 

But that will never happen because the ownership group is a bunch of egotistical pricks who care about 2 people. Themselves and Benjamin Franklin.

 

Yeah, none of this whole thing makes me feel very good about the F.O..

[ORS]

This entire production is going to be an overdone, tacky, fanboy embarrassment.

 

I cringe at the thought of Larry Lucchino and others making speeches.

 

I hope the fans boo the s*** out of this money making scheme......because thats all it is.

Does it make sense to boo them for wanting to make money when your primary gripe about them is that they are cheap? If they are cheap, then don't they need more money to justify spending money to replace all the players you think need replacing?

[ORS]

Lighten up Clarance.

Stripes? I think it was Francis.

[VA Sox Fan]

Stripes? I think it was Francis.

 

It was Francis.

 

I didn't want to say anything because I give spud so much crap for his spelling.

[kapsis21]

Leaking priviledged medical information is a crime. The Red Sox organization can be prosecuted on the whole for leaking that. It'd be a token fine as punishment' date=' but it would be proof of shady management nonetheless.[/quote']

 

just like the yankee organization kept information about Torre's health...

[kapsis21]

Buckner is welcomed back to Fenway because he signed a contract saying that he wouldn't step a foot near first base.

 

you sir are my favorite user on this site bar none!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Jwmann2]

Francona is gone and so is Epstein. Fresh start. I will admit, he looks miserable in that broadcasting booth. You can tell he wants to be back out there managing again.