Fenway now on the National Register of Historic Places

[Emmz]

How about a ballpark I can sit down in?

 

Watch it at home. No one's forcing you people to go to games if it sucks so bad.

 

Why should a historical landmark be replaced because you're uncomfy? We have enough state of the art pieces of s*** to watch games at, why can't we have two historical stadiums?

[VA Sox Fan]

You completely missed the point about the link that a stadium maintains. A new version of Fenway is not Fenway' date=' a renovated Fenway is still Fenway. The New Yankee Stadium looks nothing like Original Yankee Stadium aside from the interior, it looks like a giant bank. The new stadium doesn't hold the history of the original. [b']This is just a case of sentimental vs. people who think nothing's sacred.[/b]

 

You're entitled to that, but we're not going to change each other's opinion.

 

You know, the argument/discussion could have ended here.

 

Emmz is right. No one is going to change anyone else's mind on this issue. We each have our own opinions/feelings on the matter.

 

No need for a s*** storm. Agree to disagree and move on.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Gotta say - Fenway is an absolute beauty of a park. The history of the park, the charm that the park has, etc, makes it a place that a ton of people have on their bucket list.

 

Like Emmz said, if the seats aren't comfy enough for you, either watch the game at home or buy SRO tickets, they're really cheap and you don't have to put up with the seats.

 

I've been to about 8-10 stadiums, and Fenway is by far and away my favorite to watch a game.

[Emmz]

The best part is that Fenway isn't looking like its going down anytime soon, and if its decided that it must go, there's nothing anyone can do. I will enjoy the fact that Fenway is still alive while it lasts.

[Emmz]

Gotta say - Fenway is an absolute beauty of a park. The history of the park, the charm that the park has, etc, makes it a place that a ton of people have on their bucket list.

 

Like Emmz said, if the seats aren't comfy enough for you, either watch the game at home or buy SRO tickets, they're really cheap and you don't have to put up with the seats.

 

I've been to about 8-10 stadiums, and Fenway is by far and away my favorite to watch a game.

 

This is the best way you could possibly put it.

[a700hitter]

You know, the argument/discussion could have ended here.

 

Emmz is right. No one is going to change anyone else's mind on this issue. We each have our own opinions/feelings on the matter.

 

No need for a s*** storm. Agree to disagree and move on.

Basically, everyone has agreed that they love Fenway. Saying that it is not a great venue to watch a game should not be taken so personally by people. Really for a person who has never been to Fenway to tell fans that go to the games to stay home is preposterous. We all love Fenway, but we can objectively compare it to other venues without being accused of blasphemy. No shitstorm by SCM or me. We love the team and Fenway and we go to the games every year.

 

Edit: If Fenway objectively was a great venue for fans to watch a game, I don't think the current owners would have spent countless millions updating the place for the last 7 or 8 years. Also, someone told me that when they replaced seats at Fenway that the manufacturer had to retool at the factory because the seats at Fenway are smaller than the standard seats.

[ORS]

Watch it at home. No one's forcing you people to go to games if it sucks so bad.

 

Why should a historical landmark be replaced because you're uncomfy? We have enough state of the art pieces of s*** to watch games at, why can't we have two historical stadiums?

Earlier, I think Dojji said something about pushing 350 on the scale. At the risk of sounding insensitive, he does have another option......how's about not pushing 350 on the scale. I have very little sympathy for people who allow themselves to get that out of shape when they complain about how standardized ergonomics don't accommodate their size.

[Emmz]

I almost typed that myself, but yeah, thats another good point.

 

I honestly would go to Fenway and stand if it were that uncomfortable. There's no scenario where I could actually want to see Fenway destroyed, because it has sentimental value to me.

 

Its kind of irritating that everyone wants to build a new stadium because the old one is uncomfy. I like some of these state of the art upscale places, but they're everywhere now. After Wrigley and Fenway, whats the oldest currently used baseball stadium? The classics are a dying breed.

 

I hope these last two, as well as Lambeau and Soldier in the NFL, and MSG in the NBA are around for many years. I can go to a new stadium or field at any time. Once the classics are gone, they are gone forever.

[SCM33]

Okay, I've been to Fenway maybe 25-30 times, and I agree with them. Is that okay? How many times do you have to have gone there before you are allowed to have an opinion? How many times do you really need to go to a place to get the feel of it?

 

Every single time I go to Fenway, I am in awe. I never complain about the seats because every five minutes I am jumping out of them to cheer for the Red Sox, which is why I am there in the first place.

 

Every year I see more and more signs that my own generation, and even those a little older than I am, are showing less and less concern for preserving the history of our country if it interferes with comfort or convenience. Fenway is the embodiment of Boston's history. Everything around it changes, but it has been in the same spot, serving the same purpose, for an entire century.

 

When I go into Fenway park, I can almost imagine that I can see history playing out around me. It's, for lack of a better term, magical. I've been to the new Yankee Stadium, I've been to PNC park, and I've been to Comerica. They are nice stadiums, comfortable, enjoyable to watch a game in. But you know what was missing? The feel of baseball. Every one of them just felt like a place that the team was using that day, like a football field that's been recovered with dirt to play baseball on while the football season is over.

 

At Fenway park, you look around, you see the Green Monster sticking out no matter which part of the stadium you are in, you see Pesky's pole, and if you're close enough to it, the hundreds of names of visiting fans scrawled on it in Sharpie, and you close your eyes and you can feel the vibration of every single stomping foot, every single encouraging chant, every word coming over the PA system, and when you see all of that, feel all of that at once, there is absolutely no doubt in your mind that this is a field of baseball, there is absolutely nothing else you can mistake it for.

 

I wouldn't install an elevator on the face of Mt. Rushmore, I wouldn't put ten-foot security fences along the edge of the Grand Canyon, I wouldn't fix the crack in the Liberty Bell, and I sure as hell wouldn't tear down a piece of the soul of every Red Sox fan in the history of baseball just to replace it with something that has bigger cupholders.

 

Again, I said I love going. I said I go 5-10 times a year.

 

Its a dump.

 

Tourists and people who live out of state love it. Most locals hate it. People who live and work in the immediate area despise it.

 

I can already see the responses to it........"well people shouldn't take jobs around there", "well then don't live in Boston", "well lose some weight", "well then don't drive to the park".

 

All of those inconveniences for a baseball field.

 

.....and Dojii, dont listen to what others say about your weight man. I am 6'0'' 225 LBs and work in a profession where physical fitness standards MUST be met every 6 months....and I find the place to be uncomfortable. Apparently friendly fenway and their fans don't give a s*** about accommodating ALL of their fans. Fat need not apply.

 

Again, I love going.......but its a dump.

[Dojji]

Earlier' date=' I think Dojji said something about pushing 350 on the scale. At the risk of sounding insensitive, he does have another option......how's about not pushing 350 on the scale. I have very little sympathy for people who allow themselves to get that out of shape when they complain about how standardized ergonomics don't accommodate their size.[/quote']

 

Your advice is noted and isn't inappropriate, but it's not just fat. Sure there's a lot of fat there, but I'm also a big boned 6'7" tall. I'm a mix of Swede, Scots and German lines and it shows. Built for power not speed as they say.

 

If I was down to proverbial "playing weight" I'd be about 270 pounds -- more if I added all the muscle my frame was built for. Ideal "civilian" weight is in the 250-260 range. If I really built it up, I could be a muscular 300 -- we're talking offensive lineman material here if my high school had had a football program. I'm just a big dude.

 

Sure, being 100 pounds overweight doesn't help, but it isn't the only problem either.

[Palodios]

After Wrigley and Fenway' date=' whats the oldest currently used baseball stadium? The classics are a dying breed.[/quote']

 

Good point. I checked Wikipedia on this, because I was curious exactly how old #3 was.

 

1) Fenway -- Opened 1912

2) Wrigley -- Opened 1914

3) Dodger Stadium -- Opened 1962.

 

Seems like a bit of a gap there

[Dojji]

Maybe they know something we don't.

[a700hitter]

Your advice is noted and isn't inappropriate' date=' but it's not just fat. Sure there's a lot of fat there, but I'm also a big boned 6'7" tall. I'm a mix of Swede, Scots and German lines and it shows. If I was down to proverbial "playing weight" I'd be about 270 pounds -- more if I added all the muscle my frame was built for. Ideal weight is in the 260-270 range. If I really built it up, I could be a muscular 300 -- we're talking offensive lineman material here if my high school had had a football program. I'm just a big dude. Sure, being 100 pounds overweight doesn't help, but it isn't the only problem either.[/quote']A very good friend of mine is 6'8" and when he was still playing basketball in his late 40's he was around 290. The big boy wasn't fast anymore but he still had great stamina and ran the court with guys 15 years younger. Fenway is not made for anyone over 200 lbs. The seats are smaller than standard seats.

[Dojji]

If they're anything like the auditorium seating at my college, I want nothing to do with Fenway seating. I could occupy 2 of those, and if I lost all the weight I need to lose it'd still only shrink me to 1 1/2.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

f*** Fenway. The seats are cramped and uncomfortable and the place stinks like piss. If you're not there midsummer the place is chilly as a bastard. And what's this 'atmosphere' people are gushing about? A bunch of drunken retards howling like apes in cages, and the occasional old gimpy couple whose life's dream was to visit a f***ing ballpark. Yeah, great atmosphere. It's positively electric.

 

I think paying substantial money to sit in creaky wooden seats with drunken chimps to watch a game I could've watched at home for free is a little silly anyway, so I probably wouldn't be visiting the new park no matter what. Therefore I don't really care about what they do or don't do with Fenway.

[Emmz]

Good point. I checked Wikipedia on this, because I was curious exactly how old #3 was.

 

1) Fenway -- Opened 1912

2) Wrigley -- Opened 1914

3) Dodger Stadium -- Opened 1962.

 

Seems like a bit of a gap there

 

I wouldn't want Dodger Stadium gone either. I like the classics, I don't expect every team to have a classic stadium, but you can build a state of the art stadium any time.

 

Really, there's like 5-10 stadiums in the major sports with historically important stadiums. The Montreal Forum is gone, Boston Garden is gone, Comiskey Park is gone, Metropolitan Stadium is gone, Shea's gone.

[SCM33]

I wouldn't want Dodger Stadium gone either. I like the classics, I don't expect every team to have a classic stadium, but you can build a state of the art stadium any time.

 

Really, there's like 5-10 stadiums in the major sports with historically important stadiums. The Montreal Forum is gone, Boston Garden is gone, Comiskey Park is gone, Metropolitan Stadium is gone, Shea's gone.

 

Fenway is a shrine compared to the Garden before they knocked it down.

 

THAT place was a dump.

 

Fenway gets by for now but the Garden was a nightmare. Power went out all the time, the Hockey rink "fogged" in the spring when the temp outside was 60 or above and the rats were not afraid of the people.

[Emmz]

Thats an infestation issue, and I was well aware of the issues with Boston Garden. It was noticeably dumpy in ESPN rebroadcasts of Celtics games. Its was still a classic stadium with a shitload of historical value. Whether it needed to go or not wasn't my point.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Its was still a classic stadium with a shitload of historical value.

 

So, no value at all then.

[Emmz]

Not what I said, thats a massive logical leap, but its to be expected with you.

[SCM33]

Thats an infestation issue' date=' and I was well aware of the issues with Boston Garden. It was noticeably dumpy in ESPN rebroadcasts of Celtics games. Its was still a classic stadium with a shitload of historical value. Whether it needed to go or not wasn't my point.[/quote']

 

I didn't say it was or wasn't your point.

 

I was just commenting on another Boston venue.

 

I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to make a comment.

 

Just because I quote you doesn't mean I am debating.....it was just a comment.

[Emmz]

I didn't say it was or wasn't your point.

 

I was just commenting on another Boston venue.

 

I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to make a comment.

 

Just because I quote you doesn't mean I am debating.....it was just a comment.

 

I wasn't debating, I was replying to your comment. :dunno:

[SCM33]

Haha, oh Emmz, nothing changes.

[Emmz]

We agree, though. How am I trying to start? I wasn't trying to cut you off, or even debate any of your comment.

[a700hitter]

I didn't say it was or wasn't your point.

 

I was just commenting on another Boston venue.

 

I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to make a comment.

 

Just because I quote you doesn't mean I am debating.....it was just a comment.

Sometimes you just want to post a thought. Every thought doesn't have to be debated. Right? I have a wife for that.

[Emmz]

So I can't discuss anything, or else I'm being too argumentative?

[a700hitter]

So I can't discuss anything' date=' or else I'm being too argumentative?[/quote']No, no, no. You are only argumentative when you are being argumentative. ha ha ... you see, now this sounds like an exchange I would have with my wife.

[Dojji]

And here we see Emmz, playing the role of a large barrel of kerosene at a fireworks factory.

 

I love ya Emmz, but it really doesn't take a lot to set you off sometimes.

[Emmz]

Thanks Ted, for setting off a pile-on. Dick.

 

I wasn't even trying to start, and I wasn't set off until right now. How is it that I knew with Dojji having posted last, I would have to go into defensive mode?

 

I can't even post here without being piled on.

[Dojji]

You have this way of wording your point in absolutes, using the most powerful language possible. It's a sign of very good writing skills, after all, it takes a good grasp of language to even do it, but it has a kind of intimidating side effect. I used to do the same thing, and I'd turn a lot of people off. Once I realized what the problem was I went to a lot of effort to soften my tone.

 

If you didn't leave people feeling like they'd been stepped on, you'd be "piled on" a lot less. Just saying.