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[Palodios]

The NFL gives 4 games--sometimes that includes pre-season games. Even if you factor in the difference in season games, that is still a big difference because 4 games in the NFL is going to cost a player 28-35 days. 50 games in the MLB is nearly twice that long, plus the process to return back to a team is more complex in baseball.

 

Hell, when was the last time you saw NFL players ridiculed for steroids? NBA? NHL? The only sport where it has been just as big a problem is cycling... and I think the way that sport has handled steroids is equally as unfair to the athletes.

[Emmz]

Because the fans don't give a s*** about doping in those sports. You can get busted and if you're good enough, you could still be a HOFer in the NFL. Regardless of how MLB handles it, the players will be crucified by the public and press, that isn't up to the league.

[Emmz]

And 4 games in the NFL is roughly the equivalent to 40 games of an MLB season. So yeah.

[Palodios]

And 4 games in the NFL is roughly the equivalent to 40 games of an MLB season. So yeah.

 

I can do the simple math. But it isn't just about the games, its also about how long they're taken out of the game. Two months for a baseball player or one month for a football player.

[Emmz]

Its still the portion of the schedule. You can lose out your chance at the playoffs in 4 games if Peyton Manning is out. You will never go 0-40 and fall completely out of a race if you lose one baseball player.

[Palodios]

Its still the portion of the schedule. You can lose out your chance at the playoffs in 4 games if Peyton Manning is out. You will never go 0-40 and fall completely out of a race if you lose one baseball player.

 

It is more than just the games though. A player can take a few weeks off and be okay. But being away from the team and being not as well conditioned for two months hurts. Batters lose their timing, and pitchers end up seeing a big drop in their pitch count. In baseball, preseason games don't count towards the total games either.

[Emmz]

I'd have to agree with physical performance. However, this goes right back to my original point that players have the choice not to do it, at the risk of not being an impact player in the first place.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hmmm. Don't do testosterone or roids, get a nice signing bonus, enough to take care of my family for a decade or so and then maybe make the bigs and make enough to be set, or take roids and testosterone and make more in one contract than any of my descendants will make in their careers combined. I'll take the roids... It's a no-brainer

[Palodios]

Hmmm. Don't do testosterone or roids' date=' get a nice signing bonus, enough to take care of my family for a decade or so and then maybe make the bigs and make enough to be set, or take roids and testosterone and make more in one contract than any of my descendants will make in their careers combined. I'll take the roids... It's a no-brainer[/quote']

 

There was a poll taken several years ago that I will always remember. Some researchers polled olympic athletes, and asked them if there was a drug that would give them the ability to win a gold medal, but would kill them in five years, would they take it? 30-40% said yes.

[jacksonianmarch]

There was a poll taken several years ago that I will always remember. Some researchers polled olympic athletes' date=' and asked them if there was a drug that would give them the ability to win a gold medal, but would kill them in five years, would they take it? 30-40% said yes.[/quote']

 

Well, this isnt as deadly, lol. Think about it. Your life comes to a fork in the road, just like it does for a lot of the guys who arent as talented but could be with PEDs.

 

A- Stay clean, retire in obscurity, sell insurance for 40 yrs, die broke at 78

B- Get roided out, make $100 million, enough to take care of your family forever, retire at 38, die with a humongous trust fund valued at 9 figures to your family at age 60 due to complications from your roid use

 

For a lot of these guys, baseball was their only meal ticket. If it means shortening their lives to take care of their entire family, they are doing it

[User Name]

Hmmm. Don't do testosterone or roids' date=' get a nice signing bonus, enough to take care of my family for a decade or so and then maybe make the bigs and make enough to be set, or take roids and testosterone and make more in one contract than any of my descendants will make in their careers combined. I'll take the roids... It's a no-brainer[/quote']

 

This is an interesting point. I'm not trying to defend steroid use in itself, but those who say that athletes who roid are taking the "easy road" aren't factoring in the type of long-term damage it does to their body. They are sacrificing their health and longevity to increase their performance.

[The Boomer]

Well, this isnt as deadly, lol. Think about it. Your life comes to a fork in the road, just like it does for a lot of the guys who arent as talented but could be with PEDs.

 

A- Stay clean, retire in obscurity, sell insurance for 40 yrs, die broke at 78

B- Get roided out, make $100 million, enough to take care of your family forever, retire at 38, die with a humongous trust fund valued at 9 figures to your family at age 60 due to complications from your roid use

 

For a lot of these guys, baseball was their only meal ticket. If it means shortening their lives to take care of their entire family, they are doing it

 

Some economists at Cal looked at this and determined PED use was worth about $12 million to a player. Even taking into account higher medical costs, shorter life span, etc., the NPV of taking PEDs was something like $9 million. So it's a very rational thing to do. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's sensible if you're in that position.

[The Boomer]

This is an interesting point. I'm not trying to defend steroid use in itself' date=' but those who say that athletes who roid are taking the "easy road" aren't factoring in the type of long-term damage it does to their body. They are sacrificing their health and longevity to increase their performance.[/quote']

 

To increase their earning power, by and large. Most players don't take PEDs to be better in and of itself; they aren't the guy down at Gold's Gym who gets roided up because it's cool or because he can get chicks that way. MLB players already get chicks; even MiLB players do. Plus, they are already doing something that 80% of American men would pay to do.

[User Name]

To increase their earning power' date=' by and large. Most players don't take PEDs to be better in and of itself; they aren't the guy down at Gold's Gym who gets roided up because it's cool or because he can get chicks that way. MLB players already get chicks; even MiLB players do. Plus, they are already doing something that 80% of American men would pay to do.[/quote']

 

Well in MLB better performance (or numbers in this case) directly translate to more money. That was kind of my point.

[Emmz]

Hmmm. Don't do testosterone or roids' date=' get a nice signing bonus, enough to take care of my family for a decade or so and then maybe make the bigs and make enough to be set, or take roids and testosterone and make more in one contract than any of my descendants will make in their careers combined. I'll take the roids... It's a no-brainer[/quote']

 

You're completely missing the point, which is that it is no one's fault but yours if you're crucified by the public. That's also something you conveniently left out of your comparison.

[Emmz]

There was a poll taken several years ago that I will always remember. Some researchers polled olympic athletes' date=' and asked them if there was a drug that would give them the ability to win a gold medal, but would kill them in five years, would they take it? 30-40% said yes.[/quote']

 

Still don't see your point, or how this should somehow make everyone have pity for an athlete's greed. And that is what it is, it's greed. For fame and/or bigger earnings.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're completely missing the point' date=' which is that it is no one's fault but yours if you're crucified by the public. That's also something you conveniently left out of your comparison.[/quote']

 

I dont care about public persona. Once again, if the choice is to be broke or be uber rich, you take the uber rich route.

[Emmz]

I dont care about public persona. Once again' date=' if the choice is to be broke or be uber rich, you take the uber rich route.[/quote']

 

Then your comments aren't even contributive to the ongoing discussion, because its about how the issues are handled and the fallout from being busted. You take on those risks when you do steroids. I'm not going to pity an athlete when he knows the consequences for juicing.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, he doesnt get pity at all.

[Reck]

I dont care about public persona. Once again' date=' if the choice is to be broke or be uber rich, you take the uber rich route.[/quote']

 

I didn't realized they did this exclusively for the money.

 

Here I thought they did it because they love the game of Baseball.

 

If you're looking to get rich there are plenty of other career choices you could make.

 

Coming into the sport and juicing up just for the money is a cheat to the ones who care about baseball.

[The Boomer]

Well in MLB better performance (or numbers in this case) directly translate to more money. That was kind of my point.

 

I wasn't sure what you were attributing the motivation to, being a better baseball player or making more money. It sounds like the latter, which is my perspective too.

[Emmz]

No' date=' he doesnt get pity at all.[/quote']

 

Okay then. That's all there really is to it.