Beckett's ankle sprained

[jacksonianmarch]

Confirmed on NESN. MRI showed a sprain (ie some ligament damage) but nothing to the tendons. Unsure of timetable. That's probably best case for the sox, although they did not reveal the grade of the sprain.

[Palodios]

Strange, they mentioned yesterday that it definitely wasn't a sprain. Either way, there are worse things than a little sprain.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, that's the thing. We dont know the grade of the sprain, so we dont know if it is a little or a severe sprain. He walked off under his own power, so I would say it's more likely a slight sprain, but without releasing the grade, you cannot be 100% certain

[VA Sox Fan]

From the Globe:

 

UPDATE, 7:38 p.m.: Here's the statement from Red Sox medical director Tom Gill:

 

“Josh was evaluated today at the Massachusetts General Hospital by the Red Sox medical staff, including team foot and ankle specialist, Dr. George Theodore. Josh experienced pain in his ankle while pitching last night. His examination was consistent with an ankle sprain. An MRI was performed that confirmed no other injury to his ankle tendons, or his Achilles tendon. We will re-evaluate his symptoms and availability later this week."

[a700hitter]

This ankle sprain could be more problematic than indicated by the official statement.

 

Josh Beckett injury update: Bad sprain, surgery not required

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff September 6, 2011 07:29 PM

 

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

 

A person familiar with the condition of Red Sox righthander Josh Beckett said his ankle sprain was "bad," but that surgery was not anticipated.

 

He will miss at least one start. Beckett's status beyond that is uncertain as he could return to the mound within a week or two.

 

Beckett will treat the sprain by reducing the inflammation, stabilizing the ankle with a brace and strengthening the joint through rehabilitation. There are no plans for a cortisone shot at this time.

 

Beckett is expected to rejoin the team in Toronto.

 

More on this after the game.

[VA Sox Fan]

This ankle sprain could be more problematic than indicated by the official statement.

 

All we can do is hope for the best. Don't want to think about "the worst" but gotta be realistic. Here is to healing quickly! :thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

sprains come in 3 grades. Grade 1, you are out 1-2 weeks, grade 2, you are out 2-6 weeks depending on the rehab, grade 3 requires surgery. My guess is if it isnt mild and doesnt need surgery, he might be out for the rest of the month

[iortiz]

If he goes 4 weeks, what would worry me the most is his delivery after that period... I mean, after 4 weeks and haven't pitched at all, is not like he gonna pitch instantaneously like an ace again, it maybe could take a couple of games, but guess what?, POs will be around the corner or even worse, he could start pitching just there...

 

Considering our actual rotation and If we finish Sep at least even (.500), Bedard staying solid and Lackey putting his s*** together and be at least around 4, we gonna be ok...if not, start crossing your fingers gentlemen.

[a700hitter]

If he is out more than 2 weeks we're screwed. I remember my bad sprains. I did feel a popping sensation as if something became dislocated. As Jacko explained, there is no ankle joint so you can't have it pop out of a socket. The popping sensation is probably the ligaments being torn. I sprained me left ankle twice. Once it took 6 weeks - that time I was on crutches. The second time it took about 3 weeks, but I didn't have to subject it to the rigors that a power pitcher does at the ML level.

 

The way this team is limping to the finish line is not encouraging. We may get extremely lucky and everyone, including Buchholz is healthy for the playoffs, or they may stay battered and bruised and get ousted in the first round. In any event, the FO did not do the necessary reinforcing at the trading deadline. Connor Jackson is a joke. Unbelievably, they would have been better off if they had kept Cameron. He's twice the player that Jackson will ever be. It's ridiculous that they cut him to downgrade at that position. Bedard was damaged. His knee should've been checked out more carefully. The Sox were very lucky that they really had no injuries in the first half of the season except Dice K, and that was addition by subtraction. The Yankees had several injuries: Hughes, Soriano, Jeter and Joba all in the first half. They had real depth and stayed even with us. Now, it is our turn for the injuries and we have to turn to untested rookies and garbage. They spent a lot of money on this team, but they didn't stock it with any depth. The bench and pitching depth has been horrendous. In a year where we make a huge off season splash, Cashman once again ate Theo's lunch. If Theo wants to go to the Cubs, let him go and bring Wakefield and Miller with him. Cashman would probably take the Sox job.

[a700hitter]

To Paraphrase Dick Cheney, the above post should have the heads of Theo's fanboys exploding all over Boston. Enough is enough. It has happened too often on Theo's watch where the Sox have limped to the finish-- 2006, 2010 and now 2011. The owners have to consider trusting someone else with a $170-180 million payroll-- someone who knows how to build a roster.

[jacksonianmarch]

a700, in all fairness, the sox rotation was supposed to be their strength. They had three guys on July 1 who fit into the ace to #2 slots and looked solid going into the playoffs. But losing Buch and now Beckett for a stretch hurts the team. Injuries happen. I think the biggest issue for the sox has been losing DiceK and seeing Lackey be the worst SP in baseball. When the back of your rotation falls apart, you can survive if the front of the rotation is solid. But when you lose your back half to injury/ineffectiveness and then you start losing your #1 and #3, you run into trouble

[garedsoxfan]

Hope get recovers quickly.

[BecKett]

I think the biggest issue for the sox has been losing DiceK and seeing Lackey be the worst SP in baseball.

 

Hey, hey, hey. Aren't you forgetting AJ Burnett? Lackey only takes the silver medal.

[SoxSport]

To Paraphrase Dick Cheney' date=' the above post should have the heads of Theo's fanboys exploding all over Boston. Enough is enough. It has happened too often on Theo's watch where the Sox have limped to the finish-- 2006, 2010 and now 2011. The owners have to consider trusting someone else with a $170-180 million payroll-- someone who knows how to build a roster.[/quote']

 

Theo hasn't done badly. He makes mistakes, sure. Keeping dead horses around for one.

Not bringing up Millwood was another (dead horses in the way). Not getting Pence was a big mistake. It was Philly who gave up the top prospects for him--and they look unbeatable in a short series right now. Even if the umps are for the Yankees.

 

Theo has a conflict between filling his roster with deadwood and free agents--and not trading prospects who are roadblocked by the roster. Fine if you don't want to trade the prospects, but not fine if there is no room on the roster for them.

 

The other problem they have is something is not right the way the pitching is handled.

Could be Tito's bad judgement (he has no idea about when to change a pitcher--goes by pitch count); but maybe conditioning is a factor. They clearly weren't ready as a team to start the season.

[Emmz]

To Paraphrase Dick Cheney' date=' the above post should have the heads of Theo's fanboys exploding all over Boston. Enough is enough. It has happened too often on Theo's watch where the Sox have limped to the finish-- 2006, 2010 and now 2011. The owners have to consider trusting someone else with a $170-180 million payroll-- someone who knows how to build a roster.[/quote']

If you could have any GM, who would it be?

[Emmz]

Hey' date=' hey, hey. Aren't you forgetting AJ Burnett? Lackey only takes the silver medal.[/quote']

 

Burnett has been more effective, only slightly, yes, but still more effective. Though, Burnett has been junk for 2 years now, whereas Lackey was pretty damn effective last year. I don't think Lackey's done, but Burnett is a huuuuge bust. This year, though, there is no question, Lackey has been the worst regular starter in baseball, and trails only Crawford for biggest disappointment. I think both can get back to where they were next season, but this year it's been pretty pathetic to watch such a waste of money and roster space.

[DonnyZTumble]

No doubt AJ is a huge bust. If I were a Yankees fan I would not want him on the mound in a playoff game (or in any game for that matter). Back in '09 he had a chance to clinch it in the ALCS and the World Series and was far from coming through.

 

Lucky for them they had Pettitte behind him to pick up the pieces. They don't have Pettitte this year.

 

On the flip side, Lackey was able to beat CC in Fenway this past month, and gave him another run for his money in game 1 of the most recent series. Is he who we hoped we were getting? Nope. But he's certainly fit for a playoff game. I'd take Lackey on the mound against the #3 of the Yanks, Rangers, or Tigers + the Sox offense any day.

[a700hitter]

a700' date=' in all fairness, the sox rotation was supposed to be their strength. They had three guys on July 1 who fit into the ace to #2 slots and looked solid going into the playoffs. But losing Buch and now Beckett for a stretch hurts the team. Injuries happen. I think the biggest issue for the sox has been losing DiceK and seeing Lackey be the worst SP in baseball. When the back of your rotation falls apart, you can survive if the front of the rotation is solid. But when you lose your back half to injury/ineffectiveness and then you start losing your #1 and #3, you run into trouble[/quote']The Yankees have had to live with an implosion by their #2 pitcher (Burnett) and the injury to Hughes rendering him useless for most of the season. He had been an All Star in 2010. Cashman did a much better job of providing the Yankees with depth.

[a700hitter]

If you could have any GM' date=' who would it be?[/quote']I really don't follow GMs all that much. I could probably name the GMs for about a dozen teams. You have to like the job that the Phillies are doing with regard to player development, trades etc.

[iortiz]

To Paraphrase Dick Cheney' date=' the above post should have the heads of Theo's fanboys exploding all over Boston. Enough is enough. It has happened too often on Theo's watch where the Sox have limped to the finish-- 2006, 2010 and now 2011. The owners have to consider trusting someone else with a $170-180 million payroll-- someone who knows how to build a roster.[/quote']

 

Agree.

 

Beyond the injuries which "happen", and being objective and strictly looking at some players' numbers that Theo signed, they are so far away to be profitable. If I was the CFO of this organization, I would like some answers right away.

 

D-K, WAR -.2, 10 MiUSD

Cameron WAR -0.7, 8 MiUSD

Lackey WAR -1, 16 MUSD

Jenks WAR -.4, 6 MUSD

Crawford WAR -.1, 14 MiUSD

 

WAR Avg. -0.48 and 54 MiUSD; 1/3 of the payroll is a complete failure. Unacceptable! Let him Go, it's clear that he can't handle a payroll like this. No hard-feelings, strictly business.

[Palodios]

Honestly, I look at the trading deadline, and I think the FO was eyeing Philadelphia and conceded that this was not a championship year. They always talk about building for the future, and I think while 2011 was a great start, I think they realized that all of the prospects nearing the majors (Doubront, Bowden, Kalish, Iglesias, Lavarnway, Weiland) weren't ready to fill in until 2012. I think the Sox have a good chance to get through the AL, but the Red Sox definitely didn't build their team in a way that they could get through Philly.

[a700hitter]

Honestly' date=' I look at the trading deadline, and I think the FO was eyeing Philadelphia and conceded that this was not a championship year. They always talk about building for the future, and I think while 2011 was a great start, I think they realized that all of the prospects nearing the majors (Doubront, Bowden, Kalish, Iglesias, Lavarnway, Weiland) weren't ready to fill in until 2012. I think the Sox have a good chance to get through the AL, but the Red Sox definitely didn't build their team in a way that they could get through Philly.[/quote']I disagree. If the Sox got Hunter Pence, they would be the team to beat.

[Emmz]

Agree.

 

Beyond the injuries which "happen", and being objective and strictly looking at some players' numbers that Theo signed, they are so far away to be profitable. If I was the CFO of this organization, I would like some answers right away.

 

D-K, WAR -.2, 10 MiUSD

Cameron WAR -0.7, 8 MiUSD

Lackey WAR -1, 16 MUSD

Jenks WAR -.4, 6 MUSD

Crawford WAR -.1, 14 MiUSD

 

WAR Avg. -0.48 and 54 MiUSD; 1/3 of the payroll is a complete failure. Unacceptable! Let him Go, it's clear that he can't handle a payroll like this. No hard-feelings, strictly business.

 

Yeah, because it was so clear that Crawford was going to basically hit 200 points below his regular OPS, and Lackey's ERA was going to go up by 2 runs. Daisuke was a major risk, Cameron was probably never a good move, Jenks should have been better though.

 

3 of those contracts were acceptable, 1 (Daisuke) was working out for 3 of his 5 seasons with the team so far, in fact, he returned more than his value is WAR all three of those seasons (2007, 2008 and 2010). 2 of those seasons where he did not make up his value, he was injured.

 

Lackey came to this season with 4 seasons where he averaged about 20M per year in WAR, 16M sounds like a good deal to me. He can still make that back with some typical John Lackey years.

 

Crawford had come into this season with basically having averaged 27M in value over the last two seasons in Tampa. How could Theo have guessed he'd have a .600 OPS?

[Emmz]

I disagree. If the Sox got Hunter Pence' date=' they would be the team to beat.[/quote']

 

Pence with all of their guys pitching/hitting to their career norms, yes.

[a700hitter]

Pence with all of their guys pitching/hitting to their career norms' date=' yes.[/quote']At the trading deadline, I don't think they knew that Buchholz would miss the rest of the season. Even without Buch, I think they would have had enough if healthy to beat the Phillies if the Sox landed Pence. Definitely. He would give them the missing bat to help make up for Ortiz' absence in the NL park.

[Palodios]

I disagree. If the Sox got Hunter Pence' date=' they would be the team to beat.[/quote']

 

Offense helps a team to an extent. But when your pitching staff is Lester, Lackey, Wakefield, Miller, Weiland, you would need nine Barry Bonds clones to beat the Phillies.

[a700hitter]

Offense helps a team to an extent. But when your pitching staff is Lester' date=' Lackey, Wakefield, Miller, Weiland, you would need nine Barry Bonds clones to beat the Phillies.[/quote']At the Trading Deadline there was no reason to think that would be our pitching staff.

[Palodios]

At the Trading Deadline there was no reason to think that would be our pitching staff.

 

Theo probably was watching Beckett's mechanics, and made an educated guess that he would not last the whole season healthy.

[a700hitter]

Theo probably was watching Beckett's mechanics' date=' and made an educated guess that he would not last the whole season healthy.[/quote']I may be that good, but Theo is not.

[iortiz]

Yeah, because it was so clear that Crawford was going to basically hit 200 points below his regular OPS, and Lackey's ERA was going to go up by 2 runs. Daisuke was a major risk, Cameron was probably never a good move, Jenks should have been better though.

 

3 of those contracts were acceptable, 1 (Daisuke) was working out for 3 of his 5 seasons with the team so far, in fact, he returned more than his value is WAR all three of those seasons (2007, 2008 and 2010). 2 of those seasons where he did not make up his value, he was injured.

 

Lackey came to this season with 4 seasons where he averaged about 20M per year in WAR, 16M sounds like a good deal to me. He can still make that back with some typical John Lackey years.

 

Crawford had come into this season with basically having averaged 27M in value over the last two seasons in Tampa. How could Theo have guessed he'd have a .600 OPS?

 

If you pay those salaries, the only outcome you expect to see as a CFO are not good numbers but excellent numbers, plain and simple; every organization runs that way, and somebody's head will fall if something goes wrong, and mostly since you're about to close the 2011 exercise and Henry will ask for answers, and trust me, he doesn't care about OPSs and splits.