Lester to the DL

[AtWork]

This is bologna. An above average offensive catcher is effective.

 

No, no, you've got it all wrong. A catcher with an OPS that's .078 points above league average is clearly an ineffective and malodorous.

[a700hitter]

This is bologna. An above average offensive catcher is effective.

The current crop of major league catchers is a stinky one, imo. Don't you know the rules about not carrying arguments over from other threads and about baiting. I'm not looking for an argument or to prove that Salty stinks. IMO, he stinks. He's a big stiff. He does nothing well, and he is barely adequate at most aspects of the game.

[Dojji]

The difference between you and me, a700, is that I judge players based on what they are, and you judge them based on what they used to be.

[a700hitter]

The difference between you and me' date=' a700, is that I judge players based on what they are, and you judge them based on what they used to be.[/quote']No, I judge them by what they are and you judge them by what you think they can become.

[Dojji]

Salty is has been adequate' date=' but not effective.[/quote']

 

Salty has been effective. There is no part of Saltalamacchia's game that is not at least average, and his bat is above average for an overall hitter, much less a catcher where teams tolerate bats FAR WORSE than his.'

 

The only question worth raising with Saltalamcchia is if he could play a full year of starting catcher and hit at least this well. If he can, he's not just effective, he's a borderline star catcher.

[Dojji]

No' date=' I judge them by what they are and you judge them by what you think they can become.[/quote']

 

Not considerong your screed on Millwood and your position on Salty. You're as retrospective as they come. Just a fact.

[a700hitter]

Ok, so we are playing the word definition game.

 

I see.

 

No, you are just misunderstanding me. Millwood at the top of his game was not impressive but he was effective. He was a very good pitcher. Catfish Hunter was never impressive, but he was very effective-- a great pitcher. Some pitchers that don't throw very hard or have outstanding looking stuff are good pitchers.

 

When I use the term "adequate", I mean an average player (at best).

 

Hopefully, that clarifies what I have been saying.

[a700hitter]

Salty has been effective. There is no part of Saltalamacchia's game that is not at least average, and his bat is above average for an overall hitter, much less a catcher where teams tolerate bats FAR WORSE than his.'

 

The only question worth raising with Saltalamcchia is if he could play a full year of starting catcher and hit at least this well. If he can, he's not just effective, he's a borderline star catcher.

He's been adequate. I have not said that he hasn't been adequate. He still stinks. His ceiling is not very high at all. What he is doing this season is probably as good as it will get with him.

[AtWork]

Jarrod Saltalamaccia is more than an average major league catcher at best. And at age 26, he has plenty of room for improvement.

[Emmz]

His bat this season is good, his defense is meh. This is only one year though, out of his entire career. I notice when people have a good season, people start to act like that's the way they'll certainly perform from then on, and they use it to judge the player overall. This year Salty is playing well, but the thing is that some people try to say that's the way he will perform, they assume that's the way he will continue to perform, when it's really a pretty small sample size of success, considering how much failure there was before this season.

 

That said, I'll take it, and I hope he continues to perform like this. And just for those of you who are reaching for your straw, I did not say he was a fluke, but that his success is a small sample size.

[a700hitter]

Not considerong your screed on Millwood and your position on Salty. You're as retrospective as they come. Just a fact.

I have no position on Millwood other than that they should see what he has or release him. He used to be good. I said that we should see if he has anything left in the tank. How's that judging him retrospectively? I'm not the one who signed him when he washed out of the Yankee system.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Player A: .219/.321/.375/.695

Player B: .249/.320/.452/.771

 

Player A is Martin, Player B is Salty. If Salty is "adequate" that makes Martin ________? Fill in the blank I'd love to hear.

[ORS]

The current crop of major league catchers is a stinky one' date=' imo. Don't you know the rules about not carrying arguments over from other threads and about baiting. I'm not looking for an argument or to prove that Salty stinks. IMO, he stinks. He's a big stiff. He does nothing well, and he is barely adequate at most aspects of the game.[/quote']

I'm not baiting you. I'm showing an inconsistency in how you judge players. I know, I know, you'll state there's no inconsistency because of how you use a subjective word, and you'll have a point. But, I think most will agree with my interpretation.

[a700hitter]

I'm not baiting you. I'm showing an inconsistency in how you judge players. I know' date=' I know, you'll state there's no inconsistency because of how you use a subjective word, and you'll have a point. But, I think most will agree with my interpretation.[/quote']I think I clarified what I was saying. Millwood, a good (sometimes very good pitcher) was never impressive, but he was very effective. Salty is just adequate. He's lucky that he is playing in an age when most catchers suck.

[a700hitter]

Player A: .219/.321/.375/.695

Player B: .249/.320/.452/.771

 

Player A is Martin, Player B is Salty. If Salty is "adequate" that makes Martin ________? Fill in the blank I'd love to hear.

They are both adequate this season. IMO, Salty's ceiling is a bad year for Martin. Salty will never perform like Martin did in his early Dodger years. He just doesn't have the ability. My problem with the Salty/Martin thing isn't that we have Salty instead of Martin. We should have them both. The Sox should've signed Martin to keep him from the Yankees who would've been forced to go with Posada and Cervelli. That would have been a hoot to watch.

[AtWork]

There's no way in hell the Yankees were going to use Posada and Cervelli as their major league catchers this year. There's a much better chance that they would have traded for a Miguel Montero or a Chris Ianetta, both of whom are having better years than Martin.

[Dojji]

He's been adequate. I have not said that he hasn't been adequate. He still stinks. His ceiling is not very high at all. What he is doing this season is probably as good as it will get with him.

 

That is not adequate numbers. This is an adequate catcher. This is another one. And yet one more just to get the idea across. That's your bogstandard breed of journeyman backstop that most of the league gets to put up with on a regular basis. Nothing we've had for more than 16 years has been anywhere near that bad, since Hatteberg broke in.

 

The fact is Boston fans are spoiled. They have no idea what a good catcher looks like because they have no idea what a bad one looks like.

 

All Salty has to be to be well above the cut for his position is this guy. That's a standard even you have to admit that Salty should be able to reach.

[SoxSport]

Salty has looked good behind the plate lately when I've seen him. If he can hit .250 and play decent defense, he should be OK. He's a big guy and should be durable. Also looks in shape.