Posada is done

[SoxSport]

Too bad. nice fit in Boston.

 

Posada is one of those classy Yankees. Deserves better. A guy like him can take a day off if he wants anytime. Girardi knows that. No sense in making a big media deal out of this.

[DirtDog]

Two down' date=' two to go.[/quote']

 

:thumbsup:

[Dojji]

He's not going in. Not a chance. Howard was a great defensive catcher and he won an MVP and he didn't make the Hall. He was on 9 All Star teams. Munson was far better than Posada and he is not in the Hall. Posada doesn't have a chance at being even borderline.

 

I think he very much has a chance. Even for the Yankees, orchestrating 4 straight World Series rings is something, and as the starting catcher each of those 4 years Posada had a big role in that.

[a700hitter]

I think he very much has a chance. Even for the Yankees' date=' orchestrating 4 straight World Series rings is something, and as the starting catcher each of those 4 years Posada had a big role in that.[/quote']It's not happening. Ellie Howard didn't make it and Munson didn't make and both were better than him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Posada eats Elston Howard's and Thurman Munson's lunch offensively. Look at the stats...

 

Posada .273/.376/.476 for an .852OPS. 267HR 1036RBI

Howard .274/.322/.427 for a .749OPS. 167HR 762RBI

Munson .292/.346/.410 for a .756OPS. 113HR 701RBI

 

Offensively, Posada had a higher OPS than any Yankee catcher sans Bill Dickey. After looking at the numbers, actually, I think Posada is going to get in. Compare his slash line to catching HOFers...

 

Gary Carter .262/.335/.439

Carlton Fisk .269/.341/.457

Johnny Bench .267/.345/.476

Roger Bresnahan .279/.386/.377

Roy Campanella .276/.362/.500

Gabby Hartnett .297/.370/.489

 

Of the catchers in the HOF, only Campanella, Dickey, Cochrane, and Hartnett have higher OPS'. And the margin is insignificant for all but Cochrane (.045). Campanella (.010), Dickey (.016), and Hartnett (.007). Obviously, that changes a bit with Piazza coming due soon. His OPS (.922) is a career high and significantly better than Posada's, but he doesnt have any rings, while Posada has 5 (4 of which he was a contributor to). To be honest with you, Posada never really jumped out to me as a big time HOF candidate, but looking by the position, he was one of the best ever. I actually take the borderline off his name now. I think he does get into the HOF. I dont think he gets in first time through, but I do think he eventually gets into the Hall

[a700hitter]

Posada eats Elston Howard's and Thurman Munson's lunch offensively. Look at the stats...

 

Posada .273/.376/.476 for an .852OPS. 267HR 1036RBI

Howard .274/.322/.427 for a .749OPS. 167HR 762RBI

Munson .292/.346/.410 for a .756OPS. 113HR 701RBI

 

Offensively, Posada had a higher OPS than any Yankee catcher sans Bill Dickey. After looking at the numbers, actually, I think Posada is going to get in. Compare his slash line to catching HOFers...

 

Gary Carter .262/.335/.439

Carlton Fisk .269/.341/.457

Johnny Bench .267/.345/.476

Roger Bresnahan .279/.386/.377

Roy Campanella .276/.362/.500

Gabby Hartnett .297/.370/.489

 

Of the catchers in the HOF, only Campanella, Dickey, Cochrane, and Hartnett have higher OPS'. And the margin is insignificant for all but Cochrane (.045). Campanella (.010), Dickey (.016), and Hartnett (.007). Obviously, that changes a bit with Piazza coming due soon. His OPS (.922) is a career high and significantly better than Posada's, but he doesnt have any rings, while Posada has 5 (4 of which he was a contributor to). To be honest with you, Posada never really jumped out to me as a big time HOF candidate, but looking by the position, he was one of the best ever. I actually take the borderline off his name now. I think he does get into the HOF. I dont think he gets in first time through, but I do think he eventually gets into the Hall

Different eras Jacko. Munson and Howard hit in the middle of the line up for those Yankee teams. Posada hit mainly in the bottom third of the Yankee order for most of his career. Posada also had the benefit of playing in the steeroid . expansion era where the balls and players were juiced the fields were small and the pitching was thin. Comparing OPS is not comparable across those generations. Posadanever won an MVP. He never even came close. The other two guys were MVP caliber players, and they could play the position.

[DirtDog]

Posada didn't hit in the bottom of the order for most of his career. He was usually 4 5 or 6. He wouldn't have taken such exception to batting 9th if he had been in the bottom third his whole career.

[talented]

Id take hiM!

[Divinity]

I think Posada will be on the bench if it doesn't turn it around before the trade deadline. Having a DH batting under .200 isn't acceptable.

[a700hitter]

Posada didn't hit in the bottom of the order for most of his career. He was usually 4 5 or 6. He wouldn't have taken such exception to batting 9th if he had been in the bottom third his whole career.

In 1997 he was the 9th place hitter. In 1998 he moved to the 8th spot. He had the #5 slot for 1 year (2002 or 3). He was the #6 hitters for about 4or 5 years, but the majority of his career was spent in the bottom third of the order. He probably batted 7th more than any other spot in the order. He was a bottom of the order hitter for the majority of his career. Those types of players don't go to the Hall of Fame, except as guests, unless they were insanely good fielders.

[Divinity]

In 1997 he was the 9th place hitter. In 1998 he moved to the 8th spot. He had the #5 slot for 1 year (2002 or 3). He was the #6 hitters for about 4or 5 years' date=' but the majority of his career was spent in the bottom third of the order. He probably batted 7th more than any other spot in the order. He was a bottom of the order hitter for the majority of his career. Those types of players don't go to the Hall of Fame, except as guests, unless they were insanely good fielders.[/quote']

 

Comparing his numbers to other Catchers he is HoF worthy. I don't think his batting order is really significant since he plays a different position than most top of the order hitters.

[a700hitter]

Comparing his numbers to other Catchers he is HoF worthy. I don't think his batting order is really significant since he plays a different position than most top of the order hitters.

He was never a dominant player at his position for more than a couple of years. Comparing him statistically across eras doesn't hold up because of the steroid era, expansion etc. Thank Bud Selig. He was never more than very good, and that's not enough to get to the Hall. It just is not. If that were the case, I can think of a number of good catchers that had some very good years who should also be in.

[a700hitter]

Munson was the Yankee Captain and #5 hitter who died tragically young in a plane crash and he didn't get in. There is no way Jorge gets in, none, nada, zilch.

[yankees228]

He was never a dominant player at his position for more than a couple of years. Comparing him statistically across eras doesn't hold up because of the steroid era' date=' expansion etc.[/b'] Thank Bud Selig. He was never more than very good, and that's not enough to get to the Hall. It just is not. If that were the case, I can think of a number of good catchers that had some very good years who should also be in.

 

This can be done if you use the right statistics. For instance ... OPS+ ...

 

Posada: 122

Munson: 116

Howard: 1008

 

I don't think Posada is a HOFer, but I think he's much closer than you're making him out to be.

[Palodios]

5 all-star games. 5 silver sluggers. 5ish World Series rings. All without any allegations that he did steroids? Two of his closest peers at C have been implicated, and that's a big part of the reason why I think he has a pretty solid chance.

[a700hitter]

This can be done if you use the right statistics. For instance ... OPS+ ...

 

Posada: 122

Munson: 116

Howard: 1008

 

I don't think Posada is a HOFer, but I think he's much closer than you're making him out to be.

Being a Hall of Famer is like being pregnant. You either are or you are not. Posada is not and never will be.

[Flynnatic10]

Being a Hall of Famer is like being pregnant. You either are or you are not. Posada is not and never will be.

 

I would HOPE that Posada isn't pregnant!!

[yankees228]

Being a Hall of Famer is like being pregnant. You either are or you are not. Posada is not and never will be.

 

But that's not your entire point, nor is it the part that I'm rebutting.

[jacksonianmarch]

In 1997 he was the 9th place hitter. In 1998 he moved to the 8th spot. He had the #5 slot for 1 year (2002 or 3). He was the #6 hitters for about 4or 5 years' date=' but the majority of his career was spent in the bottom third of the order. He probably batted 7th more than any other spot in the order. He was a bottom of the order hitter for the majority of his career. Those types of players don't go to the Hall of Fame, except as guests, unless they were insanely good fielders.[/quote']

 

He was the #6 hitter for years.

[jacksonianmarch]

5 all-star games. 5 silver sluggers. 5ish World Series rings. All without any allegations that he did steroids? Two of his closest peers at C have been implicated' date=' and that's a big part of the reason why I think he has a pretty solid chance.[/quote']

I agree completely. He isnt a slam dunk, but I do think he eventually gets in after looking at the numbers. His career resume is incredibly impressive

[a700hitter]

I agree completely. He isnt a slam dunk' date=' but I do think he eventually gets in after looking at the numbers. His career resume is incredibly impressive[/quote']I'll buy you dinner if he makes it.

[jacksonianmarch]

It might be 20 years from now, you sure you'll be around old man?

[a700hitter]

It might be 20 years from now' date=' you sure you'll be around old man?[/quote']I'll be 72. That's like a puppy in my family.

[VA Sox Fan]

LOL!

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Updated: May 19, 2011, 5:53 PM ET

Jorge Posada starts at first baseESPNNewYork.com

BALTIMORE -- Jorge Posada is back in the New York Yankees lineup, but not at DH.

Manager Joe Girardi has Posada in the field for the initial time this year -- at first base. Posada is batting seventh, followed by Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner. Mark Teixeira is DHing Thursday.

 

It was Swisher and Gardner who preceded Posada last Saturday when Posada pulled out of the game in which he was slotted to bat ninth. Girardi switched it up Thursday.

 

"I look at matchups and how he is swinging the bat," Girardi said. "And I just decided to hit him seventh. That's how I'm going to do it."

 

Posada entered Thursday 0-for-4 with two strikeouts and a walk against Baltimore starter Brad Bergesen.

 

Girardi said the move to put Posada at first was mostly designed to give Teixeira a semi-day off. Since Eric Chavez went on the DL, Girardi said he has had Posada take more ground balls.

 

"Jorge's been doing it," Girardi said.

 

Posada, who played first base twice in spring training, fully expects the ball to find him Thursday.

 

"It will," Posada said. "It always does. It happened in spring training."

 

Posada said the toughest aspect is knowing where to go on cutoffs.

 

"It's not easy," Posada said."You just have to think a little bit more."

 

The move by Girardi continues the trend of starting Posada exclusively against right-handed pitching.

 

With a lefty on the mound Wednesday, Posada sat.

 

Since Posada's sitdown strike on Saturday, he has started two of the Yankees' past four games. Both of his starts have been against right-handed pitching.

 

Posada is 0-for-24 against lefties on the season. Against righties, Posada is hitting .227 with six homers and 15 RBIs.

 

 

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If he is to keep his spot on the roster as a part-time DH/backup first baseman, then those numbers need to improve. The Yankees are planning to give Posada to the All-Star Break before reconsidering whether they need to make a move, a source told ESPN New York on Wednesday.

 

Meanwhile, a Yankees spokesman announced Chris Dickerson's CT scan came back negative. Dickerson was hit in the head Wednesday night by a pitch from Baltimore Orioles reliever Mike Gonzalez and left the game. Dickerson was down on the ground for about a minute as Girardi and trainers looked him over after the 93 mph fastball cracked his helmet. He was sent to the hospital for the test.

 

Andrew Marchand covers the Yankees for ESPNNewYork.com.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Major LOL.

[boston22407]

god...............

[yankees228]

With Chavez out, it's the only way to give Tex half a day off. Probably going to be a disaster, but at least he has done it before.

[26 to 6]

I agree completely. He isnt a slam dunk' date=' but I do think he eventually gets in after looking at the numbers. His career resume is incredibly impressive[/quote']

I don't ever see posada getting in unless 20+ years down the line Jeter pushes the Veterans Committee to elect him. And I love Jorge, but that's just my objective opinion. He's not a HOFer in my eyes, although he does have some good numbers.

 

With Chavez out, it's the only way to give Tex half a day off. Probably going to be a disaster, but at least he has done it before.

I swear to god I have that same pic as my avatar on baseball-fever.com. Found it immediately after the trade was completed. I think I even used it on here for a while. I feel like you stole it from me <_ lol>