Hughes problem

[jacksonianmarch]

No velocity, no location equals no production. I'd be MRI'ing the s*** out of him tomorrow and if there isnt anything there, he gets a one way ticket to AAA. As is, he is a batting practice pitcher. Something either needs tweaking, fixing or fortifying, but right now, he is useless in the bigs

[boston22407]

wtf

[yankees228]

Without his normal velocity, he can't compete at this level. I agree with Jacko, can't let him continue to work through these issues while he's costing the Yankees games.

[Palodios]

I think he's useful for breaking a good team out of slumps, does that count?

[jacksonianmarch]

Vazquez had similar trouble last yr, and all he needed was to be skipped once.

[yankees228]

Vazquez had similar trouble last yr' date=' and all he needed was to be skipped once.[/quote']

 

He never regained his velocity though ... and Vazquez was much better equipped to succeed with reduced velocity than Hughes is.

[Meh]

Two in the chest and one in the head.

[BornToRun]

The Mozambique Drill

[jacksonianmarch]

Hughes was optioned to AAA today. Lance Pendleton was recalled from AAA. From the sounds of it, Noesi and Pendleton will be the long men in the Yankee pen. Colon slots into the #4 spot in the rotation and we go from there

[boston22407]

Hughes was optioned to AAA today. Lance Pendleton was recalled from AAA. From the sounds of it' date=' Noesi and Pendleton will be the long men in the Yankee pen. Colon slots into the #4 spot in the rotation and we go from there[/quote']

 

Yankees placed RHP Phil Hughes on the 15-day disabled list with a dead arm

[Youk Of The Nation]

Typical Yankees. They can't get their Phil, so they keep going at the Colon.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees' original plan was to option Phil Hughes to Triple-A, but he convinced them that continuing to pitch wasn't the right remedy for his "dead arm."

"After 30 pitches, there was nothing there," said Hughes of his dead arm. "I felt like a reliever who had thrown four straight days." The right-hander played catch with CC Sabathia before Saturday's game and will begin a long-toss program Sunday. "We will start a strenuous long toss [sunday] and the next day," pitching coach Larry Rothschild said. "Tire it out, rest and tire it out and see where we are at."

 

This from rotoworld. I think it is a good thing he is on the DL instead of taking the bump every 5th day. He even realized he had nothing after the second inning. Time to beef up the arm. He had a 90 inning jump from 2009 to 2010, it shouldnt be too much of a surprise that his arm is feeling the effects. There is a parallel here. Cole Hamels had a 70IP jump from 2007 to 2008. In 2009, he started the yr out awful before getting back on the train after the ASB and through 2010. They are doing the right thing. Strengthen his arm, get him on a mound in AAA in about 2-3 weeks to work on his secondary stuff as well and have him back by mid June

[jacksonianmarch]

Al Leiter with an interesting perspective during the call. He says that when he started throwing a lot of cutters, he started losing velocity on his fastball because you shorten your arm extension a bit to put enough torque on the ball to throw the cutter. He said once he got cutter happy, he lost about 2-3mph off his heat. He said that he worked out his arm a little more the following offseason and saw his velocity creep back up

[jacksonianmarch]

Hughes had a setback today, stopping a side session after just a few pitches. He said he "had nothing" in his arm and shut it down. He's heading to a team physician to evaluate the shoulder. I have a feeling they're gonna find something now

[jacksonianmarch]

Just heard Kim Jones on YES. I wouldnt be surprised if he has an aneurysm in that arm, those are the tell-tale symptoms. No pain, just a dead arm that gets worse with motion

[a700hitter]

Just heard Kim Jones on YES. I wouldnt be surprised if he has an aneurysm in that arm' date=' those are the tell-tale symptoms. No pain, just a dead arm that gets worse with motion[/quote']Us he getting numbness or a cold felling in his fingers? or blue fingers? I thought those were symptoms of an aneurysm.

[jacksonianmarch]

They didnt say anything about that. The symptoms are varied depending on the blood flow dynamics in the aneurysm itself. But continued "dead arm" without pain could definitely be construed as a vascular issue. It could also be a cuff issue or a labrum issue, but you typically see pain with that. The lack of pain ticked off a little alarm in my head. We'll see. For all I know, he's fine, but he described it as a continued charlie horse in the arm. No pain, just a dead feeling

[a700hitter]

They didnt say anything about that. The symptoms are varied depending on the blood flow dynamics in the aneurysm itself. But continued "dead arm" without pain could definitely be construed as a vascular issue. It could also be a cuff issue or a labrum issue' date=' but you typically see pain with that. The lack of pain ticked off a little alarm in my head. We'll see. For all I know, he's fine, but he described it as a continued charlie horse in the arm. No pain, just a dead feeling[/quote']Which is easier to fix-- aneurysm of labrum?

[jacksonianmarch]

Edit: Aneurysm requires less rehab time if done right. But aneurysmal repair is a more technically delicate surgery. If I was a pitcher and had to choose one or the other, I'd choose the aneurysm

[jacksonianmarch]

I was going to say aneurysm or thoracic outlet syndrome but most people haven't heard of that, but it is vascular. There are three causes typically. One is idiopathic, or no root cause found. That would be a problem since there is no real fix. The other two involve external compression. One is from the first rib, which requires rib removal. The other is from a muscular compression typically from an accessory scalene muscle. That's also fixable. Recovery depends on what they do and if there is any need to intervene on the subclavian artery or vein. Regardless, if this is the diagnosis, it is better news than a labrum tear, but he's likely out for most or all of the season

[a700hitter]

I was going to say aneurysm or thoracic outlet syndrome but most people haven't heard of that' date=' but it is vascular. There are three causes typically. One is idiopathic, or no root cause found. That would be a problem since there is no real fix. The other two involve external compression. One is from the first rib, which requires rib removal. The other is from a muscular compression typically from an accessory scalene muscle. That's also fixable. Recovery depends on what they do and if there is any need to intervene on the subclavian artery or vein. Regardless, if this is the diagnosis, it is better news than a labrum tear, but he's likely out for most or all of the season[/quote']I think that pitcher Cook had a rib removed.

[yankees228]

So circulatory issues for Hughes. Back to the drawing board.

[Divinity]

What do you mean? Hughes tested negative for any circulatory or vascular issues

[Divinity]

Yankees will be without Hughes for another six to eight weeks as doctors continue to search for the cause of his mysterious loss of velocity

[jacksonianmarch]

Hughes had a cortisone shot and said he feels great. He picks up a ball again in 2 weeks. We'll see if he has something when he throws again. If he had "nothing" the next time he picks up a ball, it's time for exploratory surgery