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[italstallianion]

The trades involve all of us' date=' in one way or another. We should all be able to weigh in on these things, put in our two cents. It's not sabotage. It's discussion.[/quote']

 

 

There's a line between trying to make things fair and being a d***. I'm not accusing you of anything, but I know that you and Dipre have your history, so I'm just warning people (everyone) not to be a d*** towards other people's trades.

 

Granted, the people in question could very well do their negotiating via pm and just post the final trade here to avoid "sabotage".

[Flynnatic10]

also, are we allowed to trade salary if we are getting a player in return say if someone goes over cap?

[italstallianion]

Fine, since I am the one you has to deal with this the most, Dipre has allowed me to grant you guys the ability to trade future draft picks. Just don't go too wild with this (I'm looking at you Y228) because it is a pain in the a** to keep track of.

 

There will be an opportunity to chime in one trades ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN AGREED TO. And they will be able to be vetoed if they are very lopsided. DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT try and get a trade vetoed just because someone "wins" or "loses", trades will only be vetoed if they are incredibly lopsided. Keep in mind salary implications and not just talent when you guys are evaluating a deal.

 

I'm still not allowing partial salaries with trades. So the salary has to all go with the player. To your point Flynnatic, you'd trade away players to get under cap, you shouldn't be trading for a player who has a big salary if you're close to the cap.

[Dipre]

I'm with Keeper on this one. It's not being a dick it's him trying to voice his opinion on why it wouldn't be fair. Now why can't he/us do that?

 

Because a trade that's not agreed to is not a f***ing trade, it's a negotiation which you're stunting by discussing while it's not completed.

 

The handy "veto" option is there in case you don't like a finalized trade, but don't scare away people from negotiating.

[yankees228]

Fine' date=' since I am the one you has to deal with this the most, Dipre has allowed me to grant you guys the ability to trade future draft picks.[/b'] Just don't go too wild with this (I'm looking at you Y228) because it is a pain in the a** to keep track of.

 

There will be an opportunity to chime in one trades ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN AGREED TO. And they will be able to be vetoed if they are very lopsided. DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT try and get a trade vetoed just because someone "wins" or "loses", trades will only be vetoed if they are incredibly lopsided. Keep in mind salary implications and not just talent when you guys are evaluating a deal.

 

I'm still not allowing partial salaries with trades. So the salary has to all go with the player. To your point Flynnatic, you'd trade away players to get under cap, you shouldn't be trading for a player who has a big salary if you're close to the cap.

 

Haha, I'm not even sure how much trading I plan on doing. I was just offering my opinion about the the situation. But Ital, let me know if you need any help keeping track of this stuff, and organizing the accompanying data.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Because a trade that's not agreed to is not a f***ing trade' date=' it's a negotiation which you're stunting by discussing while it's not completed[/b'].

 

The handy "veto" option is there in case you don't like a finalized trade, but don't scare away people from negotiating.

 

I get where you're coming from but you really think because what Keeper said it influenced Flynn not to trade for Oswalt? He could have still done it.

 

I'm not going to argue this because I wasn't involved in this so I'm going to back off. Now that I know we can veto trades makes me a bit happier.

 

Like Ital said just discuss through PM so no ******** occurs. That way there's no one to blame.

[Dipre]

For future reference, it's damn near impossible for me to send PM's to people because of whatever the f***'s wrong with my account, whether it's a CP option f***ed up or the mods f***ing with it, i have no clue, but i need an alternate option to trade, so i'll post this e-mail here in case anyone wants to negotiate with me:

 

thejameskirkpatrick@gmail.com

 

Again, Oswalt and Billingsley are available for C, 1B, 3B, LF, RF, either by acquiring a better talent with a bigger salary or a slightly inferior talent with a lower salary (in Oswalt's case).

 

And just so people are informed, Cabrera posted a 6.2 WAR last year, while Oswalt posted a 4.7 WAR, and since Cabrera made five million more than Oswalt, when you factor in payroll and positional scarcity, it's not a rip-off. Just sayin'.

[Divinity]

Speaking of WAR does anyone know why the WAR values for a lot of players on fangraphs and baseball-refeference are so different? For example Cabrera on fangraphs is 6.2 while 6.9 on baseball-reference in '10

[Dipre]

Speaking of WAR does anyone know why the WAR values for a lot of players on fangraphs and baseball-refeference are so different? For example Cabrera on fangraphs is 6.2 while 6.9 on baseball-reference in '10

 

Different formula to both calculate and assign value based on defense. Reference uses a sum of oWar (offensive WAR) and dWAR (defensive WAR) while fangraphs uses a much more comprehensive (complicated) formula to calculate D based on UZR and other defensive measures.

[Will617]

They're also different for pitcher WAR, I know fangraphs uses FIP while BR uses something like tERA? I'm not sure exactly what BR uses.

Dipre, have you tried opening the TS page in a different browser?

[Dipre]

They're also different for pitcher WAR, I know fangraphs uses FIP while BR uses something like tERA? I'm not sure exactly what BR uses.

Dipre, have you tried opening the TS page in a different browser?

 

I've tried everything. Different browsers, changing CP settings, i changed IP's when i moved from the DR to Michigan. Absolutely everything.

[Will617]

Check your email then, Dipre.

[Dipre]

Every starting pitcher not named Verlander is available.

 

If interested, my e-mail is in one of the posts before this one.

[italstallianion]

Yeah, since my trade fell through as well, all of my players are on the market. Contact me if you're interested in working out some sort of a deal.

[yrtb]

Still looking to trade for good infielders

 

Carpenter (14.5M), Gallardo (500k), Cahill (440k), and Cueto (450k) are all readily available

 

It will take an offer that blows me out of the water to get King Felix

[Will617]

I think I would like to trade my round 10 and 11 picks for someone else's round 10 and 11 picks, depending on what players are available when it's time for your pick.

I'm also interested in a two-player swap involving players of the same position (by that, I mean a pitcher and an OF for a pitcher and an OF). Looking to upgrade at pitcher.

[yrtb]

I'm potentially willing to do a downgrade in pitching to get an upgrade in hitting

[Divinity]

Me and Flynatic have reached an trade agreement on Albert Pujols for Tim Lincecum

[italstallianion]

Really?

[yrtb]

That seems like a great value deal for Flynnatic, a top 3 pick for a late 1st round pick, but last time I checked Tim Lincecum was his only pitcher...and he was trying to shed salary

[italstallianion]

I'm not sure about that. I would have drafted Lincecum before Pujols, so just because someone was taken early vs. someone was taken later, doesn't mean that the first player taken was better. But talent vs. salary wise I'd say that it's reasonably even. However, Flynnatic is the only person with less than 2 starters, and he's trading his only starter away, and Flynnatic should be one of the LAST teams to take on salary. Not to mention that he already has Miguel Cabrera.

 

I just don't understand the trade at all. At least from Flynnatic's standpoint. I like it from Divinity's standpoint. Save salary, clear the clutter from Morneau/Pujols, and add a great starter to a weak rotation.

[Divinity]

Here is a screenshot of our agreement.

 

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7233/deal1.png

[italstallianion]

Flynnatic should still post that he agrees to the deal here. Just to make sure that he says that he agrees to trade Lincecum for Pujols.

[Flynnatic10]

I agree to the deal. This trade might not make sense since I have Miggy but i can move him or Pujols.

[yrtb]

It's not vetoable, but it makes little sense for flynnatic

 

Maybe he thinks he can fetch two good starters with Pujols

[italstallianion]

Ok, I'm on it, now I think we should open the trade to vetoes. If anyone objects to it, post here.

[italstallianion]

I think that talent wise, it's a fair deal, just that it's a good trade for Divinity and a bad trade for Flynnatic based on salary and position, but if Flynnatic could work out a deal in the future that it might be ok. I feel like I SHOULD veto it because of how bad it is for Flynnatic, but I won't. Perhaps because I'm interested in either Cabrera or Pujols.

[Flynnatic10]

I think that talent wise' date=' it's a fair deal, just that it's a good trade for Divinity and a bad trade for Flynnatic based on salary and position, but if Flynnatic could work out a deal in the future that it might be ok. I feel like I SHOULD veto it because of how bad it is for Flynnatic, but I won't. Perhaps because I'm interested in either Cabrera or Pujols. [/quote']

 

i like Price and Gardner

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I object just to be an ass.

 

 

Kidding btw.

[italstallianion]

We can't do 2 for 1 deals, but I think we'd eventually be able to work something out.